The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[trisham]

Thank you, RM.

[OLD REGGIE]

Do you actually know what the definition of "vicar" is?

Uh, maybe the guy who takes the place of God on earth?

"But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty..."

THE REUNION OF CHRISTENDOM

Encyclical Letter of Pope Leo XIII June 20, 1894

[trisham]

I'm stuned. this is Hugh and series.

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Ah, the classics! Tradition. Ain't it grand?

[windsorknot]

made in the shade

That's an expression I haven't heard in a while; that's like the bee's knees. ;^)

[Petronski]

This the second time tonight I have plugged your quotes into google and been provided with a list of viciously anti-Catholic—and frankly darkly evil—websites.

[Petronski]

vicar

[OLD REGGIE]

Sorry for the delay. I got my magnifying glass out and went all the way through the definitions and usages of “co-” in The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford University Press, 1993, pp. 425, 426. The sense that it “can denote inferiority” is absent from the definitions. The synonym most used in the definitions, probably 30 to 50 times, is “joint.”

Gosh, I tried the Catholic Dictionary. No luck either. I imagine your only recourse is to the Catholic "experts" on this thread.

[Petronski]

Ignore the links or acknowledge them. The rest of us will learn much about your purpose here.

[tiki]

From the article, “ I had to admit to God and to myself that I was in love with Yvonne!”

Pretty much says it all, he messed up and so he wants to blame it all on the Catholic Church. We actually had an ex-priest and ex-nun who were married in the neighboring parish, they were mature enough to understand that it wasn’t the Church it was themselves. How they reconciled it with God, I don’t know, but the were both great teachers and worked in lay positions.

It is often the case that those who don’t or won’t hold to the teachings of the Church leave and blame the Church for their own faults without truly admitting any wrong in themselves. You know, it is how a lot of people behave when caught in a lie. They make excuses and blame it on someone or something else when it was all their own fault.

[dan1123]

Fist you hit us with the "one mediator" text. The INSTANT I suggest that there may be more to that...

Sorry, you're the one who sees no difference with asking someone physically sitting next to you for something and asking someone who has been dead for 2,000 years for something. I'm starting to understand the Catholic definition-weaseling that goes on. "Worship" doesn't include, revere, prostrate to, sing about, or pray to. "Mediator" has been expanded to include anyone that will intercede. Even "dead" has been expanded to becoming little angels who minister to the living. For what purpose? To protect the image of a church that wishes to dole out forgiveness of a small set of sins while making up new ones?

[tiki]

And besides, mgist was just attacking the words of non-Catholics.

[trisham]

Yes. There's that.

Can one be more in tune with the rules? :)

[dan1123]

Well since I’m not “consulting” the dead but rather asking them to pray for me, I’m made in the shade!

So the Catholic definition of "consulting" doesn't include "praying to" now? Or maybe the Catholic definition of "dead" doesn't include Christians?

[OLD REGGIE]

Well, Luther clearly calls the Blessed Virgin Mary the Mother of God and throughout the document he acknowledges that Peter was the first pope.

I have read the 95 Theses and can't remember them this way.

His one mention of the Mother of God follows:
75. To think the papal pardons so great that they could absolve a man even if he had committed an impossible sin and violated the Mother of God -- this is madness.

Though he mentions Peter it is to complain aganist the blasphemy of him.

77. It is said that even St. Peter, if he were now Pope, could not bestow greater graces; this is blasphemy against St. Peter and against the pope.

Do you have a "special" version of the 95 Theses?

[Marysecretary]

Hmm, verrryyyy interestink. With emphasis on the stink.

[OLD REGGIE]

I’m waiting too but still reading.

I've been waiting for days on this thread, considerably longer than you've been waiting, for an OFFICIAL definition of "Authentic Magisterium". I'm still waiting. I did get one referral to Wikipedia but I doubt that is an Official Catholic Source.

I guess the word Magisterium has little meaning to you.

[Marysecretary]

We already have one in heaven. His name is Jesus.

[Petronski]

Just a joke, right?

Haha ha ha ha ha . . . er . . . yeah, right.

[Petronski]

“Mother of God”

You have no problem with that term?

Tell us all why you think someone might reply to questions about the 95 theses wit the curt response “I am not a Lutheran.”

[OLD REGGIE]

"You know how Luther really had two slogans, not just sola fide, but the second slogan he used to revolt against Rome was sola Scriptura, the Bible alone. My question is, 'Where does the Bible teach that?'"

The verse just prior to where you find the Bodily Assumption of Mary.