The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[John Leland 1789]

“And then explain to me the use of “need” in our other post.”

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Need. “A particular point or respect in which some necessity or want is present or is felt; a thing wanted; a requirement.” The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford University Press, 1993, p. 1897.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

As I said a dozen times to you, I don't "leave out that bit" and I purposely post from the 1647 WCF for your edification.

God willing, one day the Holy Spirit will lead you to understand the truth.

[wagglebee]

Thanks for the clarification, because I had no idea where the italicized portion came from or what it meant.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I was not reprimanded. But it sure seems like you would prefer that.

Sorry to disappoint you.

[John Leland 1789]

So is Mary a joint-saviour or joint-redeemer with Jesus Christ?

[netmilsmom]

Well the first dictionary that I got was Answers.com

http://www.answers.com/topic/co-prefix?cat=health

Dictionary: co–

pref.

1. Together; joint; jointly; mutually: coeducation.
2. Partner or associate in an activity: coauthor; cofounder.
3. Subordinate or assistant: copilot.
4. To the same extent or degree: coextensive.
Complement of an angle: cotangent.
[Middle English, from Latin, variant of com-, com-.]

So now if co- can be Number three, how do we know what the meaning is in a particular word. Go to the source.

The Catholic Church said co- when it comes to Mary means Subordiate.

How does The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary explain the words “co-pilot” who is subordiante to a pilot or “co-star” in movies, tv or plays has the smaller insignificant part?

[Mad Dawg]

American Heritage: meaning 2b:subordinate or assistant

Random House 2nd Ed "auxiliary, subsidiary".

My Shorter OED is as you say but I note it doesn't even have "co-pilot".

SO instead of dealing with YOUR contention about "co-" you just seized on the meaning of co-pilot and went on with your other argument ... so you changed the subject before that last one was settled?

Amazing! No wonder we don't get anywhere! You guys view arguments like weapons or calibers or something. "Well that one didn't shut 'em up, let's try this one."

[Petronski]

...I don't "leave out that bit"...

You did not post it.

God willing, one day the Holy Spirit will lead you to understand the truth.

Every day He leads me there, through the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, the Catholic Church, founded by Christ and with Peter as its Pope.

[Mad Dawg]

Well .... my joints ARE beginning to give me trouble ....

[Petronski]

So is Mary a joint-saviour or joint-redeemer with Jesus Christ?

You mean in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church?

She is not "joint-saviour or joint-redeemer" in the Catholic Church. Is she in yours?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Some Protestants here desire and intend ill for some Catholics here.

What a foul and disingenuous statement. I doubt there is anyone on this forum who "desires and intends ill" for any Catholic anywhere. What a preposterous and creepy thought.

You do know the story about the two-timing Frenchmen who looked under his bed for any evidence of his wife's adultery, don't you? He found none but his own.

[tiki]

I’m waiting too but still reading.

[mgist]

I'm so sorry. Obviously my post was intended for someone else. So is the following:

"You know how Luther really had two slogans, not just sola fide, but the second slogan he used to revolt against Rome was sola Scriptura, the Bible alone. My question is, 'Where does the Bible teach that?'"

[OLD REGGIE]

You need to lighten up, Mad Dawg. It was meant as a joke.

Paranoia knows no humor.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

So is Mary a joint-saviour or joint-redeemer with Jesus Christ?

Both, according to the RCC.

(((shudder)))

[Petronski]

Some Protestants here desire and intend ill for some Catholics here.

I am regularly thankful that I am separated by geography and anonymity from some of the people here.

[papertyger]

Sorry to disappoint you.

Trust me: you NEVER disappoint ;o)

[Petronski]

My question is, 'Where does the Bible teach that?'

My answer: It does not.

[John Leland 1789]

Let’s let everyone decide if any of these sound alright:

“Mary, our subordinate Redemptrix.”
“Mary, our subsidiary Redemptrix.”
“Mary, our assistant Redemptrix.”
“Mary, our joint-Redemptrix.”

[Petronski]

Both, according to the RCC.

Absolutely false.