The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[Antoninus]

Per your dismissal of my statement... Does God not understand what we need before we even ask? ...

You make the common (again, hubristic) assumption that we can put God into linguistic boxes. Can God create a stone so heavy that He can't lift it? Can God create a being that He can't destroy?

It is impossible to fully understand God, His actions, and His knowledge through human language. Even the Greeks couldn't do it, and their language was much more suited for this sort of thing than English. One can not hope to capture the infinite via a finite medium. This is one of the reasons Our Lord spoke in parables--so that we might better understand the Father and eternity through metaphor.

That said, please respond to this sentence:

It is impossible for God to heal someone at the behest of one of His saints in heaven.

[papertyger]

I'm still looking for someone to explain to me why all these "apparitions" or depictions thereof, have the Egyptian Goddess Hathor's global ball and horns. Maybe you know

Well see, it's like this: She turned me into a newt!

I got better.

[1000 silverlings]

you will refer to me as Dr. Eckleburg every time you mention my name.

lol, if you like, you can call me "Thou"

[mgist]

Each of the apparitions have a history and a special story association with them. Here you can see one of them.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

MGIST: Father Phleger was immediately stoped, who is going to stop Rev. Wright? The lack of leadership is a real problem for non-Catholic christians.

OLD REGGIE: Please check your facts. Father Phleger has a long history.

And further note Father Phleger still has a church and a pulpit. Rev. Wright has been retired.

lack of leadership for non-catholic Christians

No lack. No king but Christ.

And I notice, mgist, that you capitalized the "c" in "non-Catholic," but not the "c" in "christian."

Does that show where your priorities lie?"

[Marysecretary]

I don’t want anyone praying for me who does not believe that God heals and that He WILL heal. He’s doing something new and for the first time I have the faith to believe that I will be healed. Now it may be through surgery or it may be a divine healing. Of course, I prefer the divine...LOL.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The Hebrew word used for "woman" in Genesis implies a married woman, not a mother.

Adam's spouse was not his mother. Christ's spouse is also not his mother. Spiritual Israel is the true spouse and the "woman" spoken of both here and in the book of Revelation.

AMEN!

[Marysecretary]

Sigh...

[Marysecretary]

LOL. This could be fun.

[1000 silverlings]

They aren’t theology, just little feel good idol stories. what’s with the horns?

[OLD REGGIE]

LOL. I think that's the M.O of the Society of Jesuits.

The Dominicans were the Inquisition experts. The Jesuits were the "Counter Reformation" experts.

I had the Inquisition in mind. :)

BTW I sent you a super secret "Private Mail" a while ago. Please keep it secret.

[mgist]

Sorry, here it is - I hope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8lZeIp-B0s/

This isn't official. I haven't seen it, but I think it provides insight. There are plenty of books and websites with info., I wouldn't even know where to start.

[Marysecretary]

that’s interesting. Never thought it was a HE. Hmmm. That changes things.

[Marysecretary]

Hey, don’t reveal my secret identity here or I’ll plame you.

[OLD REGGIE]

So, you’re saying that Mary had no free will?

So you're saying "you will conceive" is not clear?

[papertyger]

That said, please respond to this sentence:...

Well, we know what happened to the little boy who wouldn't fall down playing "soldier" and the little girl whose "dad could beat up your dad."

They grew up and got "saved."

[Dr. Eckleburg]

this example of worship of Mary. She is credited with everything that God has done through the incarnation of His Son. She is given this credit by the RCC, NOT by God. Never in the bible is this credit implied. It is known that the bible doesn't give her this credit and the response is that the bible is not complete or sufficient and who am I to pretend to understand it anyway.

LOL. Exactly right!

From the RCC catechism...

"Taken up to heaven, she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation." (969)

"Being obedient she (Mary) became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race." (494)

Do Catholics even read this stuff? It is blasphemy. Regardless of how the RCC tries to twist these words into something palatable, they still stick in the throat and stop the breathing.

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." -- Matthew 12:36-37

[Antoninus]

lol. Anyone who can read knows what the sentence said. Geesh. This gets sillier all the time. Thank God for paper trails and post 1,832.

Your arguments are based almost completely on reading your own false interpretations into statements where a different meaning is obviously called for. That cozies right up to Commandment #8 if you ask me. If you have to misrepresent someone's position in order to win an argument, for the sake of your soul, it's better to lose.

It must be mighty crowded in your house with all them straw men around.

[bonfire]

I can’t read them without holding my breath. wow. Even reading them feels like blasphemy.

[Marysecretary]

I can sing. You can take my job instead...whatever that is.