[wideawake]

Many scholars are now admitting that the book accepted as scripture by church members is an ancient book

Names, please.

[GOPJ]

Many scholars are now admitting that the book accepted as scripture by church members is an ancient book...

May I assume there's some good reason the "many" are not named?

This one sentence qualifies the whole piece as hogwash.

[BibChr]

That is so sad and pathetic. "Unnamed scholars make me feel better about shredding my brain and believing two mutual-exclusives: monotheism and polytheism! Yayy!"

Guy needs a cup of Mormon Coffee.

Badly.

[Notwithstanding]

Who are the scholars mentioned in the article?

I would also be interested in a line by line comparison of the ancient writings that were apparently discovered recently to the specific claims of Smith that historians traditionally dispute.

One of the things that ended my study of Mormon teaching was that archeology and other fields fo study seemed to very easily discredit not the doctrine revealed to Smith, but the story of how it made it from the Holy Land into Smith’s hands. If scholars have actually found objective proof to the contrary, that would be very interesting.

[conservativegramma]

LOL @ 'unnamed' scholars'. I suppose these would be the same dubious scholars who accept the idea that the golden plates were written in King James English????

[ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY]

“Most of the writings which have now been found were secret anciently and held back from the people until they proved their worthiness. “

Sounds like these unnamed “scholars” found some more Gnostic writings.

[mnehring]

Just throwing something out there (discussing history, not theology). This could be a reverse impact. Instead of ancient documents reinforcing what is in the Book of Mormon, could it possibly be that the Book of Mormon is reflecting on archetypes and themes that where popular during the enlightenment period. If you look at the correlation of time, this may be something to discuss. During this time (late enlightenment period), you had many groups exploring esoterica within Jewish, Hindu, Christian, and Muslim traditions. Much of the political and humanity thought from the early enlightenment philosophers did influence revolutions, such as the US. It may go without saying that the influence of enlightenment philosophers extended beyond the politic to religion?

Just a thought for discussion.

[allmendream]

Sorry Charlie but the Book of Mormon as a historic source is a complete wash.

Native American language is not Semitic but Asiatic.

Native American genetics is not Semitic but Asiatic.

None of the historic events, peoples or civilizations described in the Book of Mormon have found any outside corroboration.

Believe with faith if you must, but lets not insult the truth by saying it conforms to your faith; it does not.

Mormons are great people though, my hat is off to them for their strong faith, strong families, and strong ties to the GOP.

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I removed the Caucus restriction on this thread. This thread is not directly a devotional or what would fall in other caucus guidelines, instead, this is a discussion of an unconfirmed historical find and possible connections. This should be open to discussion and debate.

HOWEVER. Keep it respectful and debate or discuss like adults. I don't have patience for disrespect today.

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[AppyPappy]

It’s kinda short on data.

[francke]

Not meaning to “flame” but it is hard to believe the Mormons actually keep towing the party line, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Smith was proven to be a complete fraud by the messy situation with the Book of Abraham.
http://www.neirr.org/bof.htm

Eric

[Cicero]

Anciently, the fountain of Christian knowledge was Egypt and the Mediterranean region and for about 1,000 years 90 percent of the people were in the faith "until they were converted to Islam by the sword," he said.

This fellow shows a very sketchy knowledge of history. Mohammed had already had his vision in the cave and went on the Hegira to Medina in 622 AD. The conquest of Egypt and the rest of North Africa took place not long afterward.

That is hardly "about 1000 years." It's an error of at least 350 years.

[Alex Murphy]

ping to read later

[Between the Lines]

Here is the correct link to the article:

http://mormontimes.com/print.php?storyID=988

[Boagenes]

This one is a gutbuster.

[pby]

We have been over this before, resty...

The evidence, and egyptologists, state that the Book of Abraham is a fraud...It was a headline in the New York Times.

The funeral papyri, when translated properly, says nothing about Abraham and contains nowhere near the volume of words found in the Book of Abraham.

[bmwcyle]

bttt for later

[Elsie]

Ancient writings support LDS doctrine and teachings

So does Satan

[Elsie]

Smith, an uneducated farm boy, claimed he translated the Book of Mormon from ancient gold plates using instruments given him by an angel, but scholars are refusing to believe that...

 

Dang!

 

I wonder WHY!?

 

 

 

 

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2 Corinthians 11:12-15
 12.  And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
 13.  For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
 14.  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 15.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Like THESE guys??

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

 

 

17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

 

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Galatians 1:6-9
 6.  I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--
 7.  which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
 9.  As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

 

 

 

ANYBODY???

 

Like this fine looking fellow???

 

 

 

 

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Ephesians 2:1-2

   As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,  in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.