Posted on 04/15/2008 8:02:36 PM PDT by annalex
Happy Easter. Christ is risen!
Alex.
Anti-Catholicism, Hypocrisy and Double Standards
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part I: Darkness
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part II: Doubts
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part III: Tradition and Church
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part IV: Crucifix and Altar
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part V: The Catholics and the Pope
Why I Returned to the Catholic Church. Part VI: The Biblical Reality
His Open Arms Welcomed Me
Catholic Conversion Stories & Resources
My Personal Conversion Story
My (Imminent) Reception into the Roman Catholic Church
Catholics Come Home
My Journey of Faith
LOGIC AND THE FOUNDATIONS OF PROTESTANTISM
"What is Truth?" An Examination of Sola Scriptura
"Have you not read?" The Authority behind Biblical Interpretation
The Crisis of Authority in the Reformation
Our Journey Home
Our Lady’s Gentle Call to Peace
A story of conversion at the Lamb of God Shrine
Who is Mary of Nazareth?
Mary and the Problem of Christian Unity
Also see:
Sheep That Go Astray
Does this mean you are gonna stop praying for the lost souls who do not want to pray to Mary for intercession?
I’m pinging myself.
Doesn’t that lead to blindness and hairy palms?
Annalex's post/conversion story didn't mention Mary.
Doesn't have to. It is insulting that Annalex thinks anyone who wishes to be taken off the ping lists needs to have their soul prayed for.
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“resonated as true about Catholic teaching is the belief that non-Catholics and non-Christians could also go to heaven”: I am sorry but, I have no problem with the non-Catholic Christian part going to heaven, but if you believe non-Christians are going to heaven you are mistaken.
It may not be “Pc”, but anyone that rejects the the truth that Jesus is “the truth, the life and the way, no one comes to The Father, but by Me (Jesus)”, then they will not be forgiven by Christ on the day of Judgement!
According to whom?
Does love for your children divert love from your spouse?
Catholic Church was Founded by Christ... do you really think he would allow Saints and the Rosary and the Like without his blessing. More is expected of Catholics it is a Real Shame that Non Catholics Miss the Body Blood soul and Divinity of Christ in Communion! Confession having your sins Forgiven by Christ representative on Earth. Too experience St Faustina first Saint of the 21st century in the 1930’s writing a Diary as Commanded By Jesus Christ Himself about what Makes him Happy and Sad on Living our lives on Earth. He also mentions in the 1930’s that the Slaughter of the Unborn Innocents is the Most Horrendous crime of all time. That was when Margaret Sangor set up the Family Birth Control League the precursor to Planned parenthood.
The catholic Church was the ROCK that has always stood Firm against SIN like Abortion.. and Many Other sad situations accepted By our secular Society and The Moral relativist. Gang! The Manmade Religion followers suffered as a result!
Obviously He has...He has also let the blind lead the blind into the ditch...
If you can trace your lineage back to Jesus Christ, sure you are member of His Body...Just as I can trace my lineage back to Jesus...I was 'begat' by Jesus...
Your religion on the other hand, took a left turn while the Apostle Paul was teaching the Galatians...
In fact, Paul was recruiting the Gentiles for the Adoption into the Body of Jesus Christ while he was in Rome...
Jesus gave Paul an additional Gospel to preach and teach...The Gospel of the Grace of God...
Act 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
That's where your church took a left turn...
Paul was the top dog in the 'adopted' Gentile church while in Rome, or any where else for that matter...It is ludicrous to even suggest that the Apostle Paul was subservient to a bishop in Rome that someone determined (according to Your history) would be 1st in line after Peter...This wasn't Peter's idea or he would have recorded it...
And it's just as ludicrous to think that Peter's first in line bishop would have charge over Paul's Gentile church when Peter's ministry was to the Jews...
Jesus may have started your church, and my church and many other offshoots, but your church in the original form couldn't have lasted more than a few years...
That got my attention.
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Heh. :)
Of course, you willfully neglect the FACT that the first Gentiles were brought into the Church by Peter, under direct orders from God, and NOT by Paul--which totally demolishes your "argument".
ALL Apostles ministered to ALL Christians. True, Paul went MOSTLY to the Gentiles, mainly because a lot of Jewish Christians felt that he couldn't be trusted due to his early persecutions of them.
your arguement's not with me, it's with God...
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
ALL Apostles ministered to ALL Christians. True, Paul went MOSTLY to the Gentiles, mainly because a lot of Jewish Christians felt that he couldn't be trusted due to his early persecutions of them.
NO...Your church may teach you that but as you can see, God determined who would preach to and teach the Gentiles...And as you can see, it was Paul...So my arguement IS valid...
Not wishing to pray for Mary is not a sin; maligning those who do certainly is.
When someone wants off the list, I usually don't know the reason, I just pray for them. I also pray for my family quite a bit. It is not an act of aggression it is a prayer.
This is how every decade of the rosary concludes:
Jesus, save us from the fires of hell. Lead all soulds to heaven, especially those who are most in need of Thy mercy.
First, it would be for Christ to decide that. I agree that the scripture says so, for our own benefit, but it is wrong to bind Christ Himself, and His infinite mercy, to a book, even His own.
Second, one comes to Christ at the moment of death whether he had believed in Him or not. That is because Christ is doing the judging, no one else. What Christ's judgement will be will depend on what the dying will do at that point. Many, we hope, if their soul was conditioned by good works of natural law, will be ready to embrace Him then.
Prayers to saints are prayers to God. It is by His power that they are saints and work miracles. If God did not want you to venerate them, He would not grant them a single miracle.
However, it is possible to pray wrongly. It is possible to pray wrongly to God directly; it is possible to pray to a saint wrongly. If, in the hypothetical example that you offer, a prayer to a saint is a diversion, then one should not pray that and find a better way to pray.
Christ gave us an example of that. When a woman in the crowd cried out “blessed is the womb that bore You and the paps that gave You suck”, her veneration of Mary was sincere but a bit imprecise. It was stressing physiological motherhood. But Jesus wanted us to venerate all saints rather than His mother alone, and He wanted us to venerate them for reasons of their obedience to Him. So He corrected the woman: “Yes, rather blessed are these who hear the Word and keep it” (Luke 11).
We took Ephesians 2 out? We have no dispute with Sola Gratia.
ludicrous to think that Peter's first in line bishop would have charge over Paul's Gentile church when Peter's ministry was to the Jews...
Paul's Gentile church? Paul did not think of his ministry in this way at all: he stressed that he is an apostle of Christ who speeks with the authority of Christ to one Church of Christ into Whom all were baptized, and there were no Greek or Jew to Him. Further, St,. Peter baptized the first Gentile. The separation of function between Peter and Paul was tactical, not doctrinal anbd surely not administrative.
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