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To: Scourge of God

What did the thief on the cross “do” to merit salvation?


47 posted on 03/14/2008 2:03:55 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky; ChurtleDawg
Placed his faith in Jesus and asked Him to 'remember him wqhen He came into His Kingdom'.

To resolve the conflict between James and Paul's teaching regarding faith versus works one needs to first notice to whom James addressed his epistle. Frankly, it wasn't to me because I am a gentile. James, in the counsel at Jerusalem, told Paul that he was to go to the gentile world and James and Peter would evangelize the Jewish tribes. In that same meeting, read (in the Book of Acts) what James directed to be a part of the message to the gentile world ... hint: it was to observe the most fundamental of the kosher laws!

Argue all you want over the issue, but the bottom line is Whom is responsible for your individual salvation. If you think it is you TO ANY EXTENT, you are msitaken because you are no match for Satan. I have more than thirty five years of learning that God is in me to transform me. There is not one 'work' I can cite in the past thirty five years which I can take credit for if it reflected God's character in my soul because He alone is the author of His character if it comes out through your spirit.

[Here's one last hint: God's perspective on the dimension of Time is such that He can, at any moment in your lifetime or before or after it, focus upon the moment you professed faith in Jesus to be your Deliverer from your fallen nature ... and any portion of your life He so desires to do it with can be forgotten, absolutely. Your memory of your sins is not relevant because it is what sin of you God choses to deal with that is relevant. And He has made provision for wiping your slate 100% clean in His eyes by looking at His Son's sinless life and sacrifice for you, BUT He has said He will only do that for those who look to Him to cleanse their human spirit and transform their 'want to' by His Spirit in the human spirit. If you think you are delivered from sin yet you have had no change in your 'want to', get down on your knees in the privacy of your life and humble yourself and ask Him to be your merciful Deliverer ... if you are His, He wants His character showing forth in your life.]

49 posted on 03/14/2008 2:27:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
What did the thief on the cross “do” to merit salvation?

And he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when You come in Your kingdom. And Jesus said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."

Luke 23:42-43

Nothing, except call on Christ to save him.

He didn't say....

"Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.....(as soon as you go and do some good works)."

A perfect example, and I am glad you brought it up.

Thank you.

53 posted on 03/14/2008 2:39:01 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Mr. Lucky
What did the thief on the cross “do” to merit salvation?

Not one blessed thing. He didn't accept Jesus as his personal Savior. He didn't pray. He didn't repent. Perhaps he wasn't 'saved'.

62 posted on 03/14/2008 4:44:59 PM PDT by Scourge of God (Pretty Stupid, Evil Stupid, or Old Stupid -- is this the best our country can find for President?)
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To: Mr. Lucky

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2321

The Thief on the Cross
by Dave Miller, Ph.D.

Legion are those who dismiss water baptism as prerequisite to salvation on the grounds that “the thief on the cross was not baptized.” The thought is that since the thief was suspended on the cross when Jesus said to him, “Today you will be with Me in paradise” (Luke 23:43), he was being pronounced as saved by Christ without being required to be baptized. As one well-known preacher put it, “There was no water within 10 miles of the cross.” Please give consideration to two important observations.

First, the thief may well have been baptized prior to being placed on the cross. Considerable scriptural evidence points to this conclusion (Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4-5; Luke 3:21; 7:29-30). If he was, in fact, baptized, he would have been baptized with the baptism administered by John the baptizer. John’s baptism was temporary (i.e., in force only during his personal ministry, terminating at the death of Christ). However, even John’s baptism was “for the remission of sins” (Mark 1:4) and, hence, essential for salvation for those to whom it was addressed. John’s baptism, like the one administered by Jesus while He was on Earth (John 3:22,26; 4:1-2), was unique and temporary. It was addressed only to Jews, and only to the Jews who populated the vicinity of Jerusalem and Judea. It was designed to prepare the Jewish people for the arrival of the Messiah. But John’s baptism must not be confused with New Testament baptism that is addressed to everybody, and that did not take effect until after the cross of Christ. If the thief was a Jew, and if he already had submitted to John’s baptism, there would have been no need for him to be re-baptized. He simply would have needed to repent of his post-baptism thievery and acknowledge his sins—which the text plainly indicates that he did.

Second, and most important, the real issue pertains to an extremely crucial feature of Bible interpretation. This hermeneutical feature is so critical that, if a person does not grasp it, his effort to sort out Bible teaching, in order to arrive at correct conclusions, will be inevitably hampered. This principle was spotlighted by Paul when he wrote to Timothy and told him he must “rightly divide the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15). In other words, if one simply takes the entire Bible—all 66 books—and treats them as if everything that is said applies directly and equally to everyone, his effort to be in harmony with God’s Word will be hopeless and futile. For example, if a person turned to Genesis 6 and read where God instructed Noah to build a boat, if he did not study enough to determine whether such instruction applied to himself, he would end up building his own boat—the entire time thinking that God wanted him to do so! The Bible is literally filled with commands, instructions, and requirements that were not intended to be duplicated by people living today. Does God forbid you and me from eating a certain fruit (Genesis 2:17; 3:3)? Are we to refrain from boiling a baby goat in its mother’s milk (Exodus 23:19)? Does God want you and me to offer our son as a burnt offering (Genesis 22:2)? Are we commanded to load up and leave our homeland (Genesis 12:1)? Moving to the New Testament, does God want you to sell everything you have and give it to the poor (Matthew 19:21)? Does God expect you to leave everything, quit your job, and devote yourself full time to spiritual pursuits (Matthew 4:20; 19:27; Mark 10:28; Luke 5:28)? Does God intend for you to “desire spiritual gifts” (1 Corinthians 14:1), i.e., seek to possess miraculous abilities? The point is that the entire Bible applies to the entire human race. However, careful and diligent study is necessary to determine how it applies. We must understand the biblical distinction between the application of the principles of the Bible and the specific details.

Here, then, is the central point as it pertains to the relevance of the thief on the cross: Beginning at Creation, all humans were amenable to the laws of God that were given to them at that time. Bible students typically call this period of time the Patriarchal Dispensation. During this period, which lasted from Creation to roughly the time of the cross, non-Jews were subject to a body of legislation passed down by God through the fathers of family clans (cf. Hebrews 11:1). In approximately 1,500 B.C., God removed the genetic descendants of Abraham from Egyptian bondage, took them out into the Sinai desert, and gave them their own law code (the Law of Moses). Jews were subject to that body of legal information from that time until it, too, was terminated at the cross of Christ. The following passages substantiate these assertions: Matthew 27:51; Romans 2:12-16; Galatians 3:7-29; Ephesians 2:11-22; Colossians 2:11-17. The book of Hebrews addresses this subject extensively. To get to the heart of the matter quickly, read especially Hebrews 9:15-17. When one “correctly handles the Word of truth,” one sees that the Bible teaches that when Christ died on the cross, Mosaic law came to an end, and patriarchal law shortly thereafter. At that point, all humans on the planet became amenable to the law of Christ (cf. Galatians 6:2). The law of Christ consists strictly of information that is intended to be in effect after the death of Christ. It includes some of the things that Jesus and His disciples taught while He was still on Earth. But as regards the specifics of salvation, one must go to Acts 2 and the rest of the New Testament (especially the book of Acts) in order to determine what one must do today to be saved. Beginning in Acts 2, the new covenant of Christ took effect, and every single individual who responded correctly to the preaching of the gospel was baptized in water in order to be forgiven of sin by the blood of Christ. Every detail of an individual’s conversion is not always mentioned, but a perusal of the book of Acts demonstrates decisively that water immersion was a prerequisite to forgiveness, along with faith, repentance, and confession of the deity of Christ (Acts 2:38,41; 8:12,13,16,36-38; 9:18; 10:47-48; 16:15,33; 18:8; 19:5; 22:16).

The thief was not subject to the New Testament command to be baptized into Christ’s death (Romans 6:3-4), just as Moses, Abraham, and David were not amenable to it. They all lived prior to the cross under different law codes. They could not have been baptized into Christ’s death—because He had not yet died! The establishment of the church of Christ and the launching of the Christian religion did not occur until after Christ’s death, on the day of Pentecost in the year A.D. 30 in the city of Jerusalem (Acts 2). An honest and accurate appraisal of the biblical data forces us to conclude that the thief on the cross is not an appropriate example of how people are to be saved this side of the cross.


72 posted on 03/14/2008 5:46:57 PM PDT by LucyJo
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