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Justification: Through Faith alone?
3-14-08 | me

Posted on 03/14/2008 10:02:39 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg

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1 posted on 03/14/2008 10:02:49 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg
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To: ChurtleDawg

We are saved by faith, our works are the evidence of that salvation. Pretty clear to me.


2 posted on 03/14/2008 10:04:12 AM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: swmobuffalo

Only if you are a Christian.


3 posted on 03/14/2008 10:06:46 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools these mortals be!")
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To: ChurtleDawg

Unreadable. Please reformat.


4 posted on 03/14/2008 10:07:15 AM PDT by SuperSonic (Bush "lied", people dyed.......their fingers purple.)
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To: ChurtleDawg

Ugh! Wall of Text Crits you for 11,000! You die!

Matthew 7:21

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Works? Yep. Faith? Yep. Both? Yep.


5 posted on 03/14/2008 10:08:29 AM PDT by Scourge of God (Pretty Stupid, Evil Stupid, or Old Stupid -- is this the best our country can find for President?)
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To: verity

Seems that by that thought no one would be a Christian. I didn’t have any trouble as a child understanding the words, “For by grace are ye saved, not of works, lest any man should boast.”


6 posted on 03/14/2008 10:12:47 AM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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bttt


7 posted on 03/14/2008 10:14:19 AM PDT by isaiah55version11_0 (For His Glory)
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To: ChurtleDawg

Unreadable.

True faith produces works in time. True faith alone saves as evidenced by the thief on the cross who didn’t have time to do good works.

Someone who claims to have faith but never produces works, needs to examine whether or not they really have faith. But it is still the faith that saves not the works. And not all who have works have faith, for it is written that some will point to their works and Jesus will say “I never knew you”.

Faith, which leads one to admit that he is a sinner, and to call upon Jesus for forgiveness, yields forgiveness. And with forgiveness there is no accusation of sin, therefore why would one die the second death, even for lack of works, if there is forgiveness?


8 posted on 03/14/2008 10:16:25 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: swmobuffalo
Have you forgotten that there are many people on this planet who have not been exposed to Christianity and never will be?
9 posted on 03/14/2008 10:16:56 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools these mortals be!")
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To: verity

Maybe that is by design


10 posted on 03/14/2008 10:22:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ChurtleDawg
Also this is what is meant by Paul when he says in Passage Romans 8:15:

"15 For ye received not the spirit of bondage again unto fear; but ye received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. "

You might fear chastisement from your earthly father, but you don't fear you will cease to be his child. Same with those that receive Jesus, we do not have to fear abandonment, for Jesus said he would never drive us away. And the prophet Joel said we would never leave.

"He who believes in me has eternal life" If you can lose it, it ain't eternal.

11 posted on 03/14/2008 10:25:40 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Scourge of God
OK but look at what the Father's will is...

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day"

>If you believe in the Son, you have done the father's will and all else is forgiven.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God.

12 posted on 03/14/2008 10:32:45 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: ChurtleDawg
Many Protestants, in particular, tend to believe that the soul can be saved through Faith alone

This Protestant believes that we are saved by Christ alone. Placing our faith in Him is accepting the gift.

13 posted on 03/14/2008 10:39:32 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: DannyTN
True faith alone saves as evidenced by the thief on the cross who didn’t have time to do good works.

The thief on the cross was saved prior to the beginning of the New covenant.
14 posted on 03/14/2008 10:41:47 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: AppyPappy

How does God treat these folks after death?


15 posted on 03/14/2008 10:43:06 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools these mortals be!")
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To: MEGoody

that is what I meant.


16 posted on 03/14/2008 10:49:59 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: verity
If that's bothering you perhaps you should

a)hit the mission field

or

b)donate to an organization that tries to reach those who many consider unreachable, such as in Iran. I personally support Ligonier Ministries

17 posted on 03/14/2008 10:50:52 AM PDT by Gamecock (Viva La Reformacion!)
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To: verity

Have you forgotten that there are many people on this planet who have not been exposed to Christianity and never will be?
__________________________________________

There’s no need...

They just need to know of Jesus...

This is the “information age”

many have heard of Jesus...

more and more every day...

God uses the technology available to get the word out about Jesus...

If everyone in the known world could hear about Him when Paul and the others walked the Roman roads and sailed in the sea worthy ships, (which were conviently provided) during the “Bible Times” there’s no reason to doubt that the new roads and vessels of the modern age wont be used as effectively...

Years ago even the pooorest village in the “Third world” had a TV in a tree and now they have cell phones and computers

Every eye will behold Him...


18 posted on 03/14/2008 10:53:25 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MEGoody

I agree that salvation is only possible through Christ. I also agree that one must accept the gift of salvation in order to be saved. In other words, salvation requires a response on the part of man. Do you agree with that?


19 posted on 03/14/2008 10:55:00 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: swmobuffalo

actually, you are saved by grace....the faith has to be shown thru your works, or as James said, your faith is dead....


20 posted on 03/14/2008 10:56:16 AM PDT by raygunfan
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