Posted on 03/08/2008 5:14:33 PM PST by Zakeet
Spanish-speakers are fueling growth in the local Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which recently opened new worship space on Tucson's predominantly Hispanic South Side.
Many local Mormon worshippers, like 47-year-old Juan Arroyo, converted to the faith from Catholicism while living in their native countries. Arroyo, a roofer who has four children, joined the church when he lived in Guadalajara, Mexico. He's been in the United States for seven years.
"I was missing something, and my life changed greatly after meeting the missionaries," he said in Spanish.
Nationally, the number of Spanish-speaking congregations in the Mormon church grew by 64 percent between 2000 and 2006. There are 639 such congregations in the United States.
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The church is growing quickly in Mexico.
Church officials say its presence there began in 1875 when Brigham Young, then denomination president, called on six missionaries from Salt Lake City to bring Spanish-language materials about the church to Mexico. In 1885, a group of nearly 400 colonists from Utah arrived at northern Mexico's Casas Grandes River. Mexico's first stake was created in Colonia Juárez in 1895. By 1912, more than 4,000 members had settled in Chihuahua and Sonora.
More than 1 million members now live in Mexico, a predominantly Catholic country with a population of about 108 million.
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Did I leave out the CAVE opening in the side of the hill?
Wow, who woulda thought...3 pyramids in Bosnia. Looks like Joseph got his continents mixed up. (Sarc)
"And it came to pass..."
The hill Cumorah is also a place described in the Book of Mormon where it says that two hundred fifty thousand Nephite soldiers were killed in a final battle with the Lamanites, and where centuries earlier, the last battle of the Jaredites took place, which destroyed their civilization. The Nephites called the hill "Cumorah", and the Jaredites called the hill "Ramah" and "Shim".
Mormon researchers have debated whether the hill discussed in the Book of Mormon is the same as the drumlin in New York or whether it was located somewhere in Mesoamerica or elsewhere. Mainstream scholars have not expressed opinions on the matter because there is generally no mainstream academic support for the historicity of the Book of Mormon.
They are even confused on the number and locations of the Hill Cumorah.
The LDS leadership still holds to New York.
FARMS thinks it is somewhere in Central America.
They also think it might be in Indonesia IIRC.
Of course with a religion where the prophet can make it up as they go along any thing goes.
Why do you cherrypick from your own..(in my opinion uninspired)..writings?
Matthew 5:
16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
That's pretty much polar oppostie from what you posted. I don't think the Torah observant quote/unquote "Messiah" believes heaven and earth have passed away yet. Hence my earlier statement that I don't think God is all that worried about your personal theology. Although I notice you're holding to your theology of personal preference with wreckless abandon. Don't bother me now with your dueling New Testament pastings. Really doesn't strike a chord with me. I just posted them to show you how full of contradictions (what you believe to be paradoxes) your writings are.
Uh, no. You quoted from a section where Christ is teaching the impossibility of man ever being able to be perfect or completely righteous. Which is why we need a Savior, because we cannot meet God's 100% requirement by ourselves. This is specifically stated in James 2:10 -
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Go ahead and try to work your way to God, you can't fail even once. If you ever stole from your mother's cookie jar back when you were 2 - you're already condemned. That's the point of the Matthew 5 passage IN CONTEXT. If you so much as LOOK at a woman with lust......and so on...
Here's the rest of Scripture YOU'VE cherry picked out:
Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:20-25:
20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 4:2-3, 5 -
2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 5:8-10 -
8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Ephesians 2:8-9 -
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that : it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Titus 3:5-7 -
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
You've got it wrong there bud. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, because of Christ alone and His shed blood.
The works that we do, we do because of Christ and not our own. The works that we do are the evidence of the abiding power of the Holy Spirit in our life, not for our own merit.
Ephesians 2:10 -
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Galatians 2:19-21 -
19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
James 2:20 - ....faith without works is dead.....or literally someone who claims faith but does not works is proving his faith is not real and its a dead faith. But a true saving faith will ALWAYS be accompanied by works. In contrast a man who works, without faith, is already dead.
You must read all the scripture not cherry picked parts that only support your viewpoint.
Yup just what I wanted. More NT cut and pastes. thanx
You’re welcome.
;)
oops. What I meant to say was "Yup just what I wanted. More NT "cherrypicking" cuts and pastes.
You’re still welcome.
Thank you again. You're a true Kool aid drinker.
LOL. Y'ok....and this from a follower of a false prophet.
I knew you didn't pay much attention after reading your first post to me. But now this confirms it. lol.
Thank you for pointing out the glaring problems with the Bible.
I will abandon it and wait for voices in my head.
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHICHAPTER 224 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
Or even HERE:
1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTSSECTION 13251–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Someone was bad in post # 2,278
It could either be me or a long middle fingered dude.
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