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Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
Specifically, Jesus said this to the Pharisees who were about to stone a prostitute (and not also the man she was caught with). Do you know what Jesus wrote in the sand before saying this?
This statement does not apply broadly to every situation and to all people throughout eternity.
I recommend you check out this video: Lifting the Veil of Polygamy.
This approximately 90 minute long movie features Mormons from polygamous groups describing the nature of The Principal from their own personal perspective.
You will probably find the video fascinating, and you will probably want to have a box of tissues handy, especially toward the end.
If a person is on the out side looking in they are on the last rung of the ladder.
The person in the valley can not see as much as the person standing on a hill!
ROFLOL twice!
That sir is a damned lie. YOU said it was acceptable. I NEVER said plural marriage to children was acceptable in any form and you know it.
JOSEPH SMITH WAS DEAD RIGHT (literally) REGARDING TWO PROPHESIES
A VAIN PROPHET WILL BE THROWN DOWN: July 1828. D&C 3:4.
For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him.GLOBAL WARMING: Nov 3, 1831. D&C 133:26.FULFILLED: On May 26, 1844, Joseph Smith made the following statement in a public sermon (Brodie p 374, HC 6:408-412):
Come on, ye persecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! For I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.At this time Smith was secretly married polygamously to over 30 women, some of them wives of men still living. Many who knew of these secret marriages accused him of changing the doctrine of the church to satisfy his own carnal desires, in violation of the Book of Mormon (Jacob 2:23-29, 3:5) and D&C 49:16.
Almost exactly one month after this boast, on June 27, 1844, Smith was killed by his enemies in a gun battle at Carthage Jail.
NOTE: For some reason, this prophecy by Joseph Smith, although it was fulfilled quickly and literally, is rarely cited by Mormons.
Those who are in the north countries... shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence.JOSEPH SMITH WAS DEAD WRONG (literally) REGARDING DOZENS OF OTHER PROPHESIESFULFILLED: Smith's uncanny prediction of Global Warming resulting from hydrocarbons taken by smiting the rocks has been confirmed by no less of an authority than the Nobel Laureate AlGore.
You can see a partial list of 50 or so of Smith's failed prophecies HERE.
Immediate response by Restornu: You know nothing but standing on the last rung on the ladder!
Nic: Yet another slur.
Restornu: If a person is on the out side looking in they are on the last rung of the ladder. The person in the valley can not see as much as the person standing on a hill!
There is no reference to you meaning or intending to mean that I am "standing on the outside," concerning your immediate response to my post concerning Joseph Smith's adultery.
Nor is there any other way to take Joseph Smith's adultery except that the man who claims to have been a "prophet of God" broke the Seventh Commandment of God by marrying women who were already married to men who were still alive and to whom they, these multiple women, were still married.
Really?!!
Let others judge what you posted and see if they also say that I am lying.
Old Mountain Man posted: If you are equating plural marriage with child abuse, I would recommend that you find a good therapist. Any person that cannot see the difference is either insane or an idiot.
Plural marriage between adults. I never, never said one word about plural marriage between an adult and a child and you know it!
Isn’t it ironic to receive slurs and personal attacks from the one who protests so much in regard to what they allege is a slur or personal attack?
Oui!
Bookmarked!
Your response, that I just re-posted, was in response to my post which stated:
"It is just insane (like the prophets' polygamy with teenage girls)...isn't it?" (post 88)
It is most intuitively obvious to the most of observers that my post says POLYGAMY WITH TEENAGE GIRLS!
Your response to my above-stated post was that it was insane to equate this with child abuse.
These are your words...everyone can go back and look at post# 88 and 89.
I pressed you on this afterward to get clarification and you did not relent.
Specifically, Jesus said this to the Pharisees who were about to stone a prostitute (and not also the man she was caught with). Do you know what Jesus wrote in the sand before saying this?Good point.This statement does not apply broadly to every situation and to all people throughout eternity.
From this Review of Compton's book on Joseph's polygamous wives
The Partridge Sisters: A Plural Marriage Case Study
According to Compton, the cases of Emily (19) and Eliza (22) Partridge contain elements common to many of Joseph’s plural marriage:
"Emily Partridge provides us with a classic example of the central pattern examined in this book: polygamy may be sacred in theory, but when practiced on a day-to-day basis the plural wife is not given financial or emotional support. In Nauvoo Joseph taught Emily the principle of plural, celestial marriage, and married her and Eliza, but then acquiesced to Emma’s browbeatings and consented to his new wives’ expulsion from his home. Then he allowed the marriages to lapse, apparently taking the unions less seriously than did the Partridges. It should be remembered that he had at least thirty other wives to turn to at the time. After Joseph’s death, Emily married Brigham Young in open polygamy, but from the beginning of the marriage to its end she was less than a full wife in his family. During the exodus from Nauvoo, the haunting image of the lonely wife standing with new-born baby in the snow shows Emily’s lack of practical marital support. . . . Her diary entries expressing her resentment form a significant document, a moving cri de coeur against a non-supportive polygamous husband. The fact that this husband was the prophet and president of the church added a note of cognitive dissonance to her journal, for her religion demanded that she see him as an inspired religious leader. Her words of praise for Brigham after his death show her highly developed capacity for Christian forgiveness" (p. 432).
It was allegedly commanded by God but had to be kept secret, especially from Emma.
What a prophet!
Additionally...
Your vehement tone indicates that you, now, believe plural marriage between an adult and a child is wrong.
So...did Joseph Smith commit child abuse when he took teenage polygamous wives?
And what does this say about his status as a prophet?
Oh you are having a good time...
There is nothing new, I have read everything in its proper context.
Tell that to Abraham and Jacob!
These anti-Smith's are posting facts, again!
BAN THEM!
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