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Benedict XVI on vast, outdoor Masses: “there is a problem”
WDTPRS ^ | February 19, 2008 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 02/19/2008 5:49:25 AM PST by NYer

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To: NYer
KABOOM! This is the key. Pope Ratzinger fishes the whole question out of the soup of pragmatism and brings it back to Christ’s will.

Christ's feeding of the five-thousand is the closest biblical event that I can think of that could shed some light on this, as it was a proto-Eucharistic celebration. That's all I have. Maybe someone else can build on it.

41 posted on 02/19/2008 10:43:20 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: NYer
KABOOM! This is the key. Pope Ratzinger fishes the whole question out of the soup of pragmatism and brings it back to Christ’s will.

Christ's feeding of the five-thousand is the closest biblical event that I can think of that could shed some light on this, as it was a proto-Eucharistic celebration. That's all I have. Maybe someone else can build on it.

42 posted on 02/19/2008 10:43:52 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: AnAmericanMother

LOL - did you make that up??


43 posted on 02/19/2008 10:49:18 AM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: ConorMacNessa

You ARE?? singing at the Mass in DC? Oh very cool. We are in CA, I wanted to attend that so badly. Have a great time. Should be wonderful. and to sing in the choir, heavenly. Good good.


44 posted on 02/19/2008 11:31:40 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: bboop

Thanks for the kind words, bhoop.


45 posted on 02/19/2008 11:36:16 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: WileyPink
Yes there is! But the problem is not where they preach, it's what they preach!

Sit up straight and pay attention!

The subject of the article is the Eucharist, not homiletics.

Try and find a more appropriate cue for your one note symphony.

46 posted on 02/19/2008 11:43:21 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: WileyPink
it's what they preach!

When is the last time you attended a Catholic Mass?

47 posted on 02/19/2008 11:45:38 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: maryz
"That one I’ve heard — but not lately. Of course, I go to the 8:00 on Sunday, which almost never has music (or whatever!)."

In the Byzantine Rite, we sing the WHOLE THING, start to finish, with no accompaniment. We don't have a problem with schmaltzy pop-tunes, cocktail calliopes, guitars, and electronic flutes. We just start at the beginning, and sing our way through to the finish. Standing. LOL!

48 posted on 02/19/2008 12:06:59 PM PST by redhead (VICTORY FIRST, THEN PEACE)
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To: NYer
When is the last time you attended a Catholic Mass?

I don't have to attend the smoke and mirrors show. All I have to do is read the "Catholic Caucus" threads here on FR to understand the idolatry and works based theology.

In Christ...Alone!

49 posted on 02/19/2008 12:08:57 PM PST by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6b)
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To: marshmallow
Sit up straight and pay attention! The subject of the article is the Eucharist, not homiletics. Try and find a more appropriate cue for your one note symphony.

How juvenile. Do you think that you can convince anybody of anything by being so condescending? How liberal your statement sounds.

My one note symphony is this...

IN CHRIST...ALONE!!!

Nice tune...huh?

50 posted on 02/19/2008 12:12:18 PM PST by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6b)
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To: WileyPink; NYer

I am amazed at your statement. The Catholic Caucus threads that are posted daily are Scripture based.

I think we’re together there, correct?

And as NYer suggested, I believe you would be amazed at the reverences toward our Lord, Jesus Christ, that is present in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

Please attend one during Lent if you can.


51 posted on 02/19/2008 12:12:57 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: WileyPink

** it’s what they preach! **

What exactly do you think is preached at a Catholic Mass? If you are interested in discovering the truth, I urge you to attend one and find out.

We really can’t make blanket statements like that, can we?


52 posted on 02/19/2008 12:15:21 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
If you are interested in discovering the truth, I urge you to attend one and find out.

I urge you to flee from the idolatry of the RC church.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

In Christ...Alone!

53 posted on 02/19/2008 12:27:00 PM PST by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6b)
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To: WileyPink

We worship Jesus Christ in the Sacrifice of the Mass. Please educate yourself about that by attending a Catholic Mass. I also have a link for you for some excellent homilies if you are interested.


54 posted on 02/19/2008 12:35:43 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
We worship Jesus Christ in the Sacrifice of the Mass.

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26 For such a high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated forevermore.

Please educate yourself about that by attending a Catholic Mass.

I educate myself about Jesus by reading Scripture!

I also have a link for you for some excellent homilies if you are interested.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

In Christ...Alone!

55 posted on 02/19/2008 12:46:57 PM PST by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6b)
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To: WileyPink
I urge you to flee from the idolatry of the RC church

Why?

We're gonna rule the world and you can't stop us!!

Resistance is useless, you blathering poltroon!!

Look for a group of Latin-chanting Opus Dei associates to show up at your home any day now and smash down your front door with a 500lb marble statue.

56 posted on 02/19/2008 1:09:06 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: ArrogantBustard

I tend to think we see it more with Pope Benedict than with Pope John Paul II is because we knew Benedict as Ratzinger for such a long time. He was “someone” before he became pope. AND, the name Ratzinger instills fear in unorthodox, liberal Catholics.

That’s just my take on it...

:o)


57 posted on 02/19/2008 2:47:29 PM PST by It's me
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To: marshmallow

Are you joking?


58 posted on 02/19/2008 2:48:43 PM PST by It's me
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To: marshmallow

I admire your efforts, but some things are simply beyond parody ... this one is a parody of itself.


59 posted on 02/19/2008 2:52:21 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Patriotic1
No, I must admit I cadged it from the Society for a Moratorium on the Music of Marty Haugen and David Haas.

They have a whole page devoted to parodies.

60 posted on 02/19/2008 7:40:58 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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