Haven't Anti-Mormons Completely Destroyed the Credibility of Mormonism?

jefflindsay.com ^ | Nov. 5, 2006 | Jeff Lindsay

[Tennessee Nana]

As for your accusation, with the exception of your own subjective interpretation of scripture, you have no evidence to support the charge that God is intolerant of Mormon belief.

Do try to keep your arguments grounded in substance.
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I will...

God is intolerant of any belief that does not line up with the Bible...

Anything outside of the Bible is not of God’s making or leading...

[Cvengr]

In post 134 you allude the Book of Mormon as being with the northern kingdom. Ez 34 refers to the two sticks which are the split Israelite nation being reunited in the land. If you believe the LDS is identifiable with the northern kingdom, then there is a duty to return to the one nation and rule with Him, in recognition that Jesus Christ is the King whose rule will never end. The Palestinian Covenant well defines the land.

IMHO, though, all believers other than the seed of Abraham, explicitly the Israelite nation, are of the Gentile nations, who have relationship with God through faith in Christ, upon which God the Holy Spirit regenerates our human spirit and seals us with eternal security. For these reasons I do not understand why anybody would add to Scripture by associating the LDS with Mannasah or Ephraim.

[meandog]

Not only was he not a historian, he wasn't even right-wing...

Touche` What I should have put is that Hibley was to the right of Noam Chomsky...but even Karl Marx was probably to the right of Chomsky!

[Cvengr]

Most people I observe opposing the doctrines of the LDS, do so by placing their faith in Christ and studying His Word.

Now comes the issue of how one should properly behave and act in the face of adversity, especially if that adverse behavior is attempting to counterfeit the Word of God with religion.

Some appeal to rationalism, which essentially appeals to the soul, rather than to the spirit.

Some simply witness through faith in Christ, remaining in the spirit and manifesting sanctified mind, soul and spirit. Sometimes that mechanism doesn’t require or may even preclude commenting upon the counterfeit, not out of an effort to win an argument, but by recognizing the war is already under control by God Himself. Those who choose to reject Him, have bigger issues to deal with than being convinced by rational argument.

[meandog]

THIS is an example of not 'a half-truth', but a complete lie! LDS Inc. is NOT a 'protestant' group!!

Well, what would you call Mormons? They certainly aren't Roman Catholics.

[nicmarlo]

Okay resty....throughout this thread you have repeatedly dodged answering my post #72, denied that Scripture is accurate and to be relied upon, and deflected onto other topics. If I reposted all this in one post, it would be longer than the article of this thread. I repeat, for the third time:

According to whom and in what way, specifically, are the Old and New Testaments a "sanitary version" and what, specifically is "omitten [sic], distorted, or deleted"? Which parts of the Old and New Testaments are in error, specifically? Which rabbi scholars of the Old Testament have found it in error? Which scholars of the Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew languages have declared it substantively interpreted incorrectly into English?

I now further ask, are only the Old and/or New Testament Scriptures that YOU post the "correct, unsanitized, undistorted, and without error", etc., version?

[bonfire]

They have more in common with RC’s than Prot’s, IMO.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***The Book of Mormon is about the descendants of Ephraim and Menasseh.***

But wait! An old Freeper, Lost Tribe, claims the lost tribes (Ephraim and Manasseh) are the white races of Europe, as do many of the Aryan Nations nuts including the followers of H.W. Armstrong and late “Pastor” Gene Scott.

[tantiboh]

~”As I pointed out on other threads, the average group lasted between 200 and 500 years before they disappeared.”~

So, let’s see. The Church was founded in the 1830’s... Another 20 years or so, and we’ll be into what you have determined is the danger zone. Seems we’re doing pretty well so far, though, for a faith that is on the cusp of slipping into extinction.

If you’re right, RDB, then you’ve nothing to worry about it.

You might consider heeding the advice of Gamaliel. You’ll find it in Acts chapter 5, toward the end.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Really ???

Oh, goody

I’ve read the Iliad and the Odyssey so now I dont have to read the book of mormon...

Thanks

:)***

Saint Augustine was taught on these books and the Bible. See what happened to him.

[Salvation]

Excellent question, FRiend.

[tantiboh]

~”God is intolerant of any belief that does not line up with the Bible...”~

I agree, though I would question the word “intolerant.” God loves His children - universally - a lot more than you seem to be giving Him credit for. He tolerates a lot from us.

Still, your point is valid. The question, then, becomes whether or not your beliefs line up with the Bible.

We Mormons have a lot more evidence supporting our interpretations of the Bible. I thing I’ll stick with them.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:****

This does not sound like Jackson County Missouri!

[restornu]

You are getting silly and continue to distort my words and all you really know is what you read from someone else and I am not going to solely waste my time on what someone else says I use to do that in the past but I find it is useless for you are going to blindly believe anything contrary to the LDS!

I am so thankful for my Testimony of “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!

[Zakeet]

Re: The Standard works have given me a greater understanding of the Bible.

Re: Did you ever read The Book of Mormon, and if so did you read it like you would the Bible.

Re: Do try to keep your arguments grounded in substance.

REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE FROM LDS MEMBERS

I would like to gain a greater understanding of the Bible, and to learn to read the Book of Mormon like the Bible, but as many of you probably know:

1. The LDS Church has made thousands of CHANGES to the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants; and

2. Even after all of those changes, hundreds of obvious ERRORS still remain; and

3. Even after all of those changes, there are still many serious CONTRADICTIONS in Mormon Scripture.

In light of these facts:

1. Which version of the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price is correct?

2. How can someone know the Standard Works are true and Joseph Smith was not a false prophet?

3. And is it wise to trust in my feelings when your own church leaders teach I should have solid evidence to rely on before I seek guidance in prayer?

I have asked these question many times in the past and I have yet to receive a reasoned response.

Perhaps you can help me ... or perhaps somebody else can ... maybe today ... on this thread ...

And in keeping with the spirit of the LDS posters, would you please try to keep your arguments grounded in substance.

Thank you.

[tantiboh]

~”Most people I observe opposing the doctrines of the LDS, do so by placing their faith in Christ and studying His Word.”~

I agree. The genuine anti-Mormons are few in number, albeit annoyingly loud.

~”Some appeal to rationalism, which essentially appeals to the soul, rather than to the spirit.

Some simply witness through faith in Christ, remaining in the spirit and manifesting sanctified mind, soul and spirit.”~

Yes. Most fall into the categories you list. However, some choose to hate, lie, deceive, rail, and insult. It is my theory that such do not know Christ. They have chosen a different master, though they hide behind a veil of piety and faith. Of such ilk is the genuine anti-Mormon. Of such ilk is any religious zealot who uses despicable tactics to tear down another faith.

[nicmarlo]

ty Salvation. I ask because I would like an honest answer from which to base future questions.

I cannot do this if Scripture “cannot be relied upon” as my entire belief system is based on the Scriptures.

[tantiboh]

~”I have asked these question many times in the past and I have yet to receive a reasoned response.”~

[Sigh] And we have answered these same questions many times in the past.

If your questions are genuine, I think there are several of us here who would be happy to engage with you in a reasonable manner. Past experience, however, leads us to predict otherwise.

Perhaps some assurance of your genuine intent would be helpful?

[Tennessee Nana]

Didnt you say this to nic ???

“My first teething was on the Bible and it is because of the short comings that I continues my quest because I knew from the Bible there was more for the Bible scriptures testify of it which could not be denied.

It is not the scripture that fall short but what has been omitten, distorted, or deleted if a passage says according too, and one looks for it and it it not available, I want to know for myself not someone explination!”
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For me and millions of other Christians, the Bible is a complete work of God...

I have successfully completed 60 years of living using the Bible, the Word of God, as my guide ...

It is a Lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path ..Psalm 119:105 ...

I have never felt that I was short changed and/or needed more than the Bible...

It is unfortunate that you did not find what you were looking for in the Bible all those years ago...

however, if you had been looking for Jesus, the Son of God, you would have found Him, right there, in the Bible..

Keep on asking, keep on seeking, keep on knocking, and the door will be opened unto you Matthew 7:11

and while you were searching for Jesus in all the wrong places, He was reaching out to you and loving you,

Jesus shed His precious blood and died in your place, Resty, just for you...

Written in Red

VERSE 1
In letters of crimson God wrote His love
On a hillside so long, long ago
For you and for me Jesus died
And love’s greatest story was told

CHORUS
I love you, I love you
That’s what Calvary said
I love you, I love you
I love you written in red

VERSE 2
Down through the ages God wrote His love
With the same hands that suffered and bleed
Giving all that He had to give
A message so easily read

CHORUS
I love you, I love you
That’s what Calvary said
I love you…
Oh precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow
No other fount I know
Nothing but the blood of Jesus

CHORUS
I love you, I love you
That’s what Calvary said
I love you, I love you
I love you written in red

[Tennessee Nana]

Did you ever read The Book of Mormon, and if so did you read it like you would the Bible
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I worship Jesus Christ, not Joseph Smith...