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To: vladimir998; Dr. Eckleburg
Dr. E.: “When the anathemas of Trent are rescinded, we can all talk about our “moral equity” in the eyes of the RCC.”

Vlad: "Were you once Catholic? Unless you were the anathemas don’t apply to you. You knew that right?"

Why don't they apply? Trent was convened because of Protestantism, and the anathema canons all start with "If ANYONE". I mean, wouldn't spiritual cursing fall under that "always and everywhere believed" thing? Are you saying if I held my current beliefs 100 years ago I would be cursed to hell by your church, but today I am not?

(And I know that at the time of Trent, all I had to do to have my cursing to hell removed was to convert to Catholicism. IOW, "convert or die". Hmmmm. :)

4,522 posted on 03/27/2008 9:48:09 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; wmfights; blue-duncan; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; HarleyD; Gamecock; irishtenor; ...
Why don't they apply? Trent was convened because of Protestantism, and the anathema canons all start with "If ANYONE". I mean, wouldn't spiritual cursing fall under that "always and everywhere believed" thing? Are you saying if I held my current beliefs 100 years ago I would be cursed to hell by your church, but today I am not?

(And I know that at the time of Trent, all I had to do to have my cursing to hell removed was to convert to Catholicism. IOW, "convert or die". Hmmmm. :)

Thanks FK. I should have asked those excellent questions at the time that blather was posted. As my ex-RC husband reminds me, he was taught in parochial school that the anathemas of Trent actually call up the demons from hell to curse those who believe in justification by faith alone and those who believe in the assurance of their redemption by Christ on the cross.

One has to wonder what kind of organization curses someone who believes the words of Christ Himself.

4,523 posted on 03/27/2008 10:23:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Forest Keeper

You wrote:

“Why don’t they apply?”

You’ll see.

“Trent was convened because of Protestantism, and the anathema canons all start with “If ANYONE”. I mean, wouldn’t spiritual cursing fall under that “always and everywhere believed” thing?”

1) Trent was not held because of Protestantism. Calls for a council had been common for more than 70 years before the creation of Protestantism.

2) Protestantism was considered a heresy at that time because almost all those who were Protestants were once Catholics. It was not viewed as a separate religion.

“Are you saying if I held my current beliefs 100 years ago I would be cursed to hell by your church, but today I am not?”

I am saying no one who was always Protestant is bound by canon law the same way a Catholic who falls into the heresies of Protestantism is.

“(And I know that at the time of Trent, all I had to do to have my cursing to hell removed was to convert to Catholicism. IOW, “convert or die”. Hmmmm.”

1) There was no “convert or die” principle or policy.

2) Anathemas cursed no one to hell. The Church has never had nor claimed to have such authority. You seem to be as faulty in your knowledge of what an anathema as other poorly catechized Protestants. You might want to do some research.


4,527 posted on 03/28/2008 4:27:17 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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