Posted on 09/08/2007 10:18:04 AM PDT by SmithL
Thats what happens when you make it up as you go along and there is no central authority.
Protestantism its pretty similiar to muhammedism in that respect.
Say whay you will about the Pope but the Catholics were the first and only ones to worship Christ going back 2000 years.
500 years ago a bunch of Germans decided that they knew better than the Pope and started this mess.
Now you have gay communist lesbian "Bishops" running around.
Ouch. I will turn my other cheek.
I have left the ELCA. I went to a Missouri Synod church for a bit, but I have a couple of issues with them too. I finally found a home in a AFLC parish. My understanding is that at least two area churches are negotiating to switch affiliation to the AFLC, also.
Thanks Brother.
If I stated anything well, it was only by the wisdom and through the grace of the Holy Spirit. May we glorify Him and praise Him with our lives daily.
"We haven't changed any policy," he said.
I believe that John Brooks is sincere, and is trying to put his finger in the dike to stop all the leaks that have started to develop.
However, the mis-leaders who are his bosses, and who instruct him to say that there is no change in policy, are guilty of gross hypocrisy!!!!
Of course there is a de facto change in policy. And in liberal ELCA synods such as ours, where the Missouri Synod is weak and the ELCA will now be free to go totally "gay" and feminazi, Lutheranism is a dead letter, unfortunately.
However, as even some LCMS pastors have found by an in-depth study of the Lutheran confessions, we really should go home to Orthodoxy anyway!!!! I hope that Vicki Curtis will experience Orthodox worship and community for herself so that she may "taste and see".
That is NOT the (evangelical-catholic LCA) Lutheranism that I have always known, until the ELCA mis-leaders, including "gay"-feminazi underminers like Barbara Lundblad, took over!!!!
And you can add that the ELCA mis-leaders support stealing Kosovo from the Serbian people and giving it to the muslims. In fact, they are just plain dhimmis and New World Order hangers-on in every way. For shame!!!!
I came home 4 years ago. I could not stay with a church that condoned abortion.
You already are....sexuality is just the tip of the iceberg with the ELCA. Two years ago the Assembly voted on three measures; sexuality, the new gender neutral hymnal and a public condemnation of Israel......nothing about bringing souls to the true word. The ELCA is a group of left wing activists hiding under the veil of religion. When Hanson petitions Congress on behalf of the 4.8 million people in the ELCA, he is using your money and counting you as one his supporters.
You are cutting your own throat.
But people are overreacting, said ELCA spokesman John Brooks.
“We haven’t changed any policy,” he said.
Brooks stressed that the resolution only recommended leniency and that bishops who felt moved to do so are not prohibited from disciplining gay clergy.
OH, GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!
This is the worst (or best, depending on how you look at it) example of doublespeak I’ve ever seen.
How is not enforcing policy different than changing the policy! The results are the same!
One of the most egregious things I’m finding about the ELCA is how they continue to insult my intelligence and the WORD of God!
Look no farther than the Southwestern Pennsylvania Synod. Until a few days ago its Bishop was Donald McCoid; who, sadly volutarily retired. During the final days of August his successor-Bishop announced that beginning September 1 there would be "no discipline" against partnered gaysbian clergy. I saw good Bishop McCoid at a liturgy on his last day in office and he looked more glum than that unfortunate fellow under the cloud in Li'l Abner. With good reason. The liturgy was a retirement celebration but it felt like a wake for the orthodox of the ELCA.
Welcome home.
That’s one thing that many people like about the Catholic Church....standing firm against abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality, stem cell research, contraception, women priests, and the list can go on and on.
That’s why so many Catholics - such as Conrgessional Representatives Rosa L. DeLauro (CT-3), Joe Baca (CA-43), Tim Bishop (NY-1), Joe Courtney (CT-2), Anna Eshoo (CA-14), Maurice Hinchey, (NY-22), Patrick Kennedy (RI-1), James Langevin (RI-2), John Larson (CT-1), Carolyn McCarthy (NY-4), Betty McCollum (MN-4), Jim Moran (VA-8), Bill Pascrell (NJ-8), Tim Ryan (OH-17), Linda Sanchez (CA-39), José Serrano (NY -16), Hilda Solis (CA-32), and Mike Thompson (CA-1)— are the leaders in favor of abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality, stem cell research, contraception, women priests, and the list can go on and on. They are all welcomed by the Catholic Church and its institutions.
At 'home', there's room for everybody...
Hah!!
The ELCA is a "Bible believing church". At least that's what they say and who are you to contradict them? They differ from you simply on the way certain texts should be understood.
Private interpretation of Scripture is a two-edged sword, my friend. Yes, it frees you from the great Roman papist ogre that wants to control your mind and damn you to hell. On the other hand, it also means that your protestations about the way other "private-interpreters" understand Scripture are just so much chin music.
The world is full of "bible believing churches". It's just that they can't agree on what it is they should actually believe.
I had a conversation with my pastor in 2001 about my objections to the ELCA becoming an abortion church. He got rather huffy and defensive and said (in what seemed at the time to be a nonsequitur,)Well, he was proud of what he did in the sixties and wouldn't change a bit of it. I thought, How sad--thirty years go by and you haven't learned a damn thing. I don't think he missed me after that either.
Yep. If she's looking for the Truth, that's the only option.
As a friend once told me, the ELCA is due for a Reformation.
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