Uh, If you say so... But it doesn't answer my question. Is God's perseverance judged or man's?
Yes, that is what I was referring to, but your use is proper also. We of course disagree on whether salvation can be secured during physical life. I would just add that the Biblical use of the word "hope" includes confidence and surety.
When you mean "salvation secured in this life", I presume you mean heaven. Well, I won't say we can absolutely be certain, but we can have assuredness that as long as we remain in Christ, our hope will not be in vain. I do not feel comfortable with presumption.
After salvation, we are free to act out God's will, but it must also be in accordance with God's exact plan (which we cannot know). So in that sense we are certainly "involved". We want to obey and God directs how that happens
Something like that. But we won't go into the difference of God's time and our time - that has been done already...
Regards
God's actions are never subject to judgment, as it would make no sense. In the arena of salvation, since men do not gain salvation by the merit of their works, their works of perseverance are not effectively judged for this purpose. However, in the judgment for reward, acts of men that would fall under the category of perseverance will be judged (along with all others) to determine Heavenly reward.
When you mean "salvation secured in this life", I presume you mean heaven. Well, I won't say we can absolutely be certain, but we can have assuredness that as long as we remain in Christ, our hope will not be in vain. I do not feel comfortable with presumption.
OK, that's a good step in the right direction. I actually remember from before that in expressing it, you had the most optimistic views in this area amongst your like minded brethren. :)
If I understand your question correctly, Christians are not judged. We have already been judged by Christ. God leads us home. Perseverance is the process of this leading home by God.