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To: jo kus; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg
Is God's perseverance judged or man's?

If I understand your question correctly, Christians are not judged. We have already been judged by Christ. God leads us home. Perseverance is the process of this leading home by God.

6,686 posted on 09/19/2007 12:00:01 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
God leads us home. Perseverance is the process of this leading home by God.

Amen! Perseverance is part of our sanctification; the faithful and true promise of the Holy Spirit. We really don't experience God nor Jesus Christ except by and through the Holy Spirit.

And the Holy Spirit will not fail. Christ has paid the penalty for the sins of His sheep. We have been forgiven. That knowledge motivates us to obey God and follow Christ's teachings, confident that the Holy Spirit resides and works in those who believe in Christ as their Savior, according to the will and purpose of God from before the foundation of the world.

6,691 posted on 09/19/2007 12:23:25 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD
If I understand your question correctly, Christians are not judged. We have already been judged by Christ. God leads us home. Perseverance is the process of this leading home by God.

We are not judged??? Where does the Bible say that Christians will not be judged after they die? Perhaps the confusion over the meaning of "judge". Often, the Bible uses the concept that judgment is something that God gives to the evil, like God's wrath (rather than God weighing our works, good and bad, and deciding what to do, if I can make a human analogy). We will be subject to scrutiny based on what we do, but we will not receive God's judgment (wrath might be a better word to press forward my meaning) while in Christ.

For although I have nothing on my conscience, yet am I not hereby justified, but he that judges me is the Lord. 1 Cor 4:4

And dost thou think this, O man, that judgest those who do such things and [doest the same], that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Romans 2:3

So speak ye and so do as those that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For judgment without mercy shall be done unto the one that has showed no mercy; and mercy boasts against judgment. James 2:12-13

For we know [who] he [is] that has said, Vengeance [belongs] to me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:30-31

Clearly, WE WILL be scrutinized based on what we have done. Those found unworthy will be cast out.

I think the James verse gives a good indication of what I mention above. Those in Christ will be granted mercy - they will be judged with mercy, as opposed to those who are evil. We will not have to be perfect, as God will grant mercy - and Christ intercedes for us. But those NOT in Christ, even if they have ONCE received Christ in the past, will not be given mercy. The Bible makes that clear in a number of places.

Regards

6,711 posted on 09/19/2007 2:14:33 PM PDT by jo kus
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