Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
Wow, that’s quite a confession.
Man hates God and is incapable of anything else until the Holy Spirit changes his heart. Is that the essence?
Totally depraved. What a view of humanity.
Coupled with kosta’s little essay at 6,651, this really does indicate the gulf that separates us. I was hoping beyond hope that I wasn’t misreading your post.
You:You mean to wipe my sins clean so that I can go around sinning all I want 'cause God paid my bill for all times? LOL!
Just hoping that the SPIRIT would move you. I really don't want to see anyone lost, but it's not up to me.
Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. – John 12:27
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. – Phl 2:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. – Revelation 13:8
And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four [and] twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. – Revelation 5
For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. - Isaiah 55:8-9
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Col 1:15-20
Maranatha, Jesus!
God's actions are never subject to judgment, as it would make no sense. In the arena of salvation, since men do not gain salvation by the merit of their works, their works of perseverance are not effectively judged for this purpose. However, in the judgment for reward, acts of men that would fall under the category of perseverance will be judged (along with all others) to determine Heavenly reward.
When you mean "salvation secured in this life", I presume you mean heaven. Well, I won't say we can absolutely be certain, but we can have assuredness that as long as we remain in Christ, our hope will not be in vain. I do not feel comfortable with presumption.
OK, that's a good step in the right direction. I actually remember from before that in expressing it, you had the most optimistic views in this area amongst your like minded brethren. :)
It's good to get out every now and then and see what's going on in the world.
I'm far from an accomplished theologian, but there does seem to be a slight problem of God killing God if God is One, plus the idea of God - without beginning, without end, eternal and everlasting - dying.
At least I danced. You sat out the whole song. :)
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. – I John 4:9
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; - John 5:26
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Col 1:15-20
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. – John 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. – Genesis 1
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. – Revelation 1:8
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. – Revelation 1:11
I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. – Revelation 1:18
Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; - Hebrews 1:3
For where a testament [is], there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. – Hebrews 9:14-16
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. – Hebrews 9:24-28
Praise God!!!
Amen! Colossians 1:16-17.
What's your problem with "God killing God," according to the definition of the Trinity and per God's perfect purpose in creation?
Do you challenge Christ's divinity or the fact that God willed the cross and the resurrection?
But God did not kill God, nor did God die.
Correct?
A) God is One.
B) God is eternal and everlasting.
Therefore what do you question — the divinity of Christ or that God willed the cross and the resurrection?
Christ was fully man and fully God. God did not die. God did not kill Christ.
Did God will the cross and the resurrection?
In your theology, I don’t see how you avoid the logical progression of:
God willed that God would die to pay for the sins that God willed.
lol. A nap might help.
I'm an optimist. I hope one day God gives you eyes to see Lucaris was a lot closer to the truth than the current EO.
Did God will the cross and the resurrection?
As you can see, our questions are our answers.
When you end up in “The Church of God Who Killed Christ” somewhere your foundation got lost.
And think of the trouble we'd be in then.
“Christ was fully man and fully God. God did not die. God did not kill Christ.”
If God did not die, then God was not born. So Mary is not the mother of God.
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