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To: kosta50
thanks for your post:

It's good to get out every now and then and see what's going on in the world.

I'm far from an accomplished theologian, but there does seem to be a slight problem of God killing God if God is One, plus the idea of God - without beginning, without end, eternal and everlasting - dying.

6,665 posted on 09/19/2007 10:17:56 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; kosta50; xzins; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg
...there does seem to be a slight problem of God killing God if God is One, plus the idea of God - without beginning, without end, eternal and everlasting - dying.

Our God is a Trinity, to be sure – but we ought always remember that Jesus Christ is begotten of the Father (Psalms 2) – and the Spirit (Who is Seven, Revelation) proceeds from Them. The Father is not begotten, nor does He proceed from the Spirit or the Son. Emphasis mine:

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him]. – John 1:18

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. – I John 4:9

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; - John 5:26

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Col 1:15-20

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. – John 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. – Genesis 1

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. – Revelation 1:8

Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. – Revelation 1:11

I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. – Revelation 1:18

Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; - Hebrews 1:3

Christ did indeed die for our sins.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

For where a testament [is], there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. – Hebrews 9:14-16

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. – Hebrews 9:24-28

There was no other way.

Praise God!!!

6,667 posted on 09/19/2007 10:58:12 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: D-fendr; Alamo-Girl; xzins; P-Marlowe; HarleyD; Forest Keeper
there does seem to be a slight problem of God killing God if God is One, plus the idea of God - without beginning, without end, eternal and everlasting - dying.

What's your problem with "God killing God," according to the definition of the Trinity and per God's perfect purpose in creation?

Do you challenge Christ's divinity or the fact that God willed the cross and the resurrection?

6,669 posted on 09/19/2007 11:05:51 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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