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To: Alamo-Girl

But God did not kill God, nor did God die.

Correct?


6,670 posted on 09/19/2007 11:07:02 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; ...
To the contrary, D-fendr, Christ has clearly testified that He died:

I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. – Revelation 1:18

Moreover He has testified that it was the Father’s will that He should die:

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. – Luke 22:42

Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. – John 12:27

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. – Phl 2:8

It pleased the Father to do this:

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. – Isaiah 53:4

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. – Isaiah 53:10-12

It was the only way:

For where a testament [is], there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament [is] of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. – Hebrews 9:16-17

You and I are dead to this world and yet we are alive with Christ in God (Col 3:3) because of what He has done for us:

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. – John 17:1-5

Emphasis mine (Christ spoke this prayer while in the flesh:)

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. – John 17:11

Because of Who He is and what He did, He tore the veil between God and man, from top to bottom, God Himself purchasing us, His adopted family.

And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. - Mark 15:38

Maranatha, Jesus!

God willed that God would die to pay for the sins that God willed.

Scripture reads from Genesis to Revelation. God’s Name is I AM and Alpha and Omega.

The purpose for this heaven and earth is the next heaven and earth. Let us be patient.

From the beginning, the Father has been gathering a family with which He will live forever more. Every thing and every event “in” Creation – whether spiritual or physical – serves that end.

Light as well as darkness, Good as well as evil, Courage as well as fear, Health as well as sickness, Paradise/Eden as well as the Lake of Fire – all of it – reveals God to us through contrast - and prepares us to become members of His family.

That is the simple beauty of the passage I keep quoting from Colossians 1 – what “all that there is” is all “about.” Again, in context:

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. – John 1:12-13

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Col 1:15-20

Perhaps this "long view" has been lost somewhere along the way?

Praise God!!!

6,683 posted on 09/19/2007 11:52:03 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: D-fendr; MarkBsnr
But God did not kill God, nor did God die.

Alexander Kalimoros wrote in his 9in)famous "River of Fire" in the 1970's the following observation:

I think you are witnessing that his assessment was right on target.

6,718 posted on 09/19/2007 3:48:24 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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