To: colorcountry

[stranger to you....Yes you are now a stranger when you leave the flock!

When members of a cult turn their backs on former members and treat them like strangers it is called shunning and is a recognized tactic of cults.]

That is probably the most clear description I seen of what goes on that many here will not acknowledge - the “shunning” of former members.

1,081 posted on 07/13/2007 12:30:40 PM PDT by FastCoyote

And I’m going down now to catch breakfast.

me too!

Again; gmta!

1,082 posted on 07/13/2007 12:36:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

1,083 posted on 07/13/2007 12:37:40 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)

Beautiful place!!!

I like the wood and the stone (local material?)

Anyone out there in Utah land been to the Kiva Koffeehouse, just west of Escalante?

1,084 posted on 07/13/2007 12:39:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: Religion Moderator

1,085 posted on 07/13/2007 12:39:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

‘Nother question...

Do you use your waste water on the grass?

1,086 posted on 07/13/2007 12:40:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

So, are you saying that when a man dies, his spirit dies also?

No; for the book says it 'sleeps' 'til that trumpet sounds.

1,087 posted on 07/13/2007 12:43:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Dang!

I just KNEW I should have said...

Inverted Beast's number!!

1,088 posted on 07/13/2007 12:46:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

John sees the celestial earth, the throne of God, and all created things worshipping the Lord.

HuH?

You really think so??

Those who overcome shall be sons of God—The earth attains its celestial glory.

It DOES??

Where you you FIND this stuff?

1,089 posted on 07/13/2007 12:48:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

I hear crickets...

Yes, but are they Mormon Crickets?

1,090 posted on 07/13/2007 12:48:49 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")

Do you have a cite for the artificial insemination of Mary?

No, that was my example, but I have lots of Cites for Jesus being born of a virgin.

Good enough?

1,091 posted on 07/13/2007 12:50:23 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")

1,092 posted on 07/13/2007 12:52:19 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")

It is good that so many like yourself represent Baptist, because it is so easy to see right through you.

That's because he's transparently been de-humanized.

1,093 posted on 07/13/2007 12:52:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

“The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action.

That must be why, even today, my wife says...

oh god

Oh God

OH GOD!!!!

1,094 posted on 07/13/2007 12:55:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

I just attributed motive to everyone here.

And, I might add, did a VERY good job of it!!

You just MUST be a prophet! ;^)

1,095 posted on 07/13/2007 12:56:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

I don’t think it.... I’m just telling you that many people believe your faith to be on hatred.

Keep it up and we can ALL be involved in a really big free-for-all!

1,096 posted on 07/13/2007 12:57:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

?I am sure there are LDS who do not keep the word of wisdom

Well...

Are they COMMANDED to do so??

1,097 posted on 07/13/2007 12:58:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Dang! this page never posted, and I went on, posting now, then work, then BBL

you said: My reference to heresies are, of course, defined as the Catholic Church defines them. The incorporation of the Arian doctrine, for instance, within the LDS Church presents, in all probability ,an insurmountable gulf between us theologically.

Yes, it's too bad the Catholics fell for Constantine's deal at Nice, the really fell away there, i guess there obviously a gulf, they left the truth as was prophesied in the Bible, and really need to repent and join God's restored Church and return to his truth.

You see the opposite argument can be made tot he one the Catholic church is used to making with Protestants. Sometimes, It takes a Catholic to understand the strength of the Mormon position theologically.

you said: The very nature of Jesus Christ as recognized by our two organizations also presents an insurmountable gulf. We understand that Jesus IS God, one with the Father and one with the Holy Spirit; and that the three are One.

Which goes to the heart of the Council at Nice, the belief that had been the norm (see my section on Hippolytus on my page) refuting the Arianism that was the norm before and accepting the Noetian View that had been called a heresy by the church fathers up until then. (you do understand that the doctrine of the infallibility of the pope and the inerrancy of the church means that if one instance of changing a doctrine that was previously held means that by their own tenants the Catholic church is not true, right?) I am not expecting you to admit that I am right. I am not trying to prove you wrong. All I expect is the entirely logical statement that "you could look at it that way" for then we can discuss the differences without fighting over why they exist.

LDS apparently understands that Jesus is created by God as a lesser being and, while Jehovah of the Old Testament, is still subordinate.

Relationships?

As a son, of course Jesus is obedient to his Father.

As a member of the God head (which is in the Bible where Trinity is not by the way) Jesus and God are Co-equal, and being of one mind might and strength, to speak to one is to speak to the other., they are equal for they are one.

What you are doing is trying to say it's all one relation ship (sounds familiar eh?) and we are saying there is more than one relationship. So it's just not as simple as you keep trying to make it.

you said: The issue may or may not be of importance to Mormons, but it sure is to mainstream Christianity.

It is important to us, but we are not the ones claiming people have to understand us, and not being willing to understand you.

you said: I’ll try to avoid the ‘when did you stop beating your wife’ questions.

Thank you, I will do the same for you.

you said: I must say that it is refreshing to converse with somebody that has a published doctrine

Thanks again, I will be linking when we get to doctrine that needs "Backup", Grin

you said: Modesty? True; the Mormon beauty pageants that I’ve seen pictures of have the young ladies in fairly revealing bikinis and g-strings, but the overall effect is drastically offset by those large t-shirts and bloomers that they wear underneath!!!!

ROTFLOL!

Thanks, this post was getting dry... gonna go get some Adam's ale (water) for my throat now...

1,098 posted on 07/13/2007 1:00:29 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")

“The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action.”

combined with:

Jesus born of a virgin

Nonsense.

It was a supernatural action. Mormon’s have it wrong.

1,099 posted on 07/13/2007 1:02:36 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)

A river in Zion National Park was nothing more than a stream.

Go back in the monsoon season!

1,100 posted on 07/13/2007 1:02:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

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