Posted on 06/18/2007 12:22:11 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
If you are Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Senbury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606.
If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Mic helis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774.
If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York, in 1829.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as "Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel," "Holiness Church," or "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.
If you are Roman Catholic, your church shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for the first thousand years of its history, since during the first millennium they were one and the same Church. Lamentably, in 1054, the Pope of Rome broke away from the other four Apostolic Patriarchates (which include Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem), by tampering with the Original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be infallible. Thus your church is 1,000 years old.
If you are Orthodox Christian, your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It has not changed since that time. Our church is now almost 2,000 years old. And it is for this reason, that Orthodoxy, the Church of the Apostles and the Fathers is considered the true "one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church."
This is the greatest legacy that we can pass on to the young people of the new millennium.
did it say anything about orthodox satanism?
Actually, I believe some Baptists would argue their beliefs go back to John the Baptist, preceding and incorporating our Lord’s ministry. Thus, if correct, the Baptists would be the oldest faith.
Advice for the article’s author:
1 Timoth 1: 3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work—which is by faith.
Tex, do Orthodox consider the Catholic Church to be Apostolic? Do the Orthodox and Catholic Churches agree on what contitutes an Apostolic nature in regards to other Christians — in other words, do either recognize any Church as Apostolic that the other rejects as Apostolic?
Freegards
They have no documented anything to make such a claim. It's a fairytale. The Baptists have their imaginary roots in Marcion, a heretic.
But in reality they are a man made creation as the article says of a much later date.
I wish it were the other way around, but the truth hurts HD.
With all due deference to the Rev. Dr. Miltiades Efthimiou, the Catholic Church broke away from no one 1054. The excommunication was directed at the person of the Patriarch Michael Cerularius of Constantinople, not the entire Eastern church. The schism was an unfortunate division of the one Church and both Catholic and Orthodox can claim their foundation in A.D. 33 by our Lord.
From what I observe all denominations (including Catholic)
claim to have “Orthodox” faith. After all, the word does mean “right belief.” Your claim that your church has been their from the beginning can be disputed. But thanx for your opinion. Everyone has one.
The (Latin) Catholic Church and particular Churches in communion with her is a fully Apostolic Church. We Orthodox are not in communion with Rome because of unresolved theological and ecclasial differences, but there is only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. We can safely say that our non-communion is 1,000 years old, but not the Catholic Church.
Pssst.. the Anglican Church dates to the Martyrdom of St Alban in AD 303.
-A8
Yes very interesting.
Right on the money, dear Petrosius! Our non-communication is 1,000 years old or thereabouts, but let us not forget that the eastern Churches and the Catholic Church relegated "to oblivion" the excommunications of 1054 in 1964, which is 910 years later. If we had worked out out theological points of disagreement, we could intercommune; but, since that has not happened, we can't (yet).
The best way to describe it is that we are one Church in internal disagreement .
We are both one Church drawing the same apostolic authority and have the same valid clergy. The EP and MP are dedicated to closer cooperation and reunion with the Church of Elder Rome. Surely, they would not be doing that if they thought the the Western Church were led by someone other than a legitimate bishop, and +Peter's successor at that.
They COULD argue that, but they would not be able to back it up historically.
I would argue that the author isn’t teaching a “false” doctrine.
Good! :)
Ping13
1. Yes, as the RC Church was part of the “one” Church until 1054 AD, it is Apostolic.
2. I don’t think so, unless possibly the Anglican Church.
In light of the ongoing dialog between East & West, I will decline to debate the matter for the present time.
I think you are wrong. We have HISTORICAL evidence to the contrary.
Correct, Brother. :) I agree.
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