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To: GoLightly; Kolokotronis; kosta50

The two individuals whom I pinged are far more qualified to speak to Orthodox theology than I am. Rather than either of us speculating on Orthodox attitudes on the Real Presence and/ or Transubstantiation, I think we should ask two individuals who would be in a position to know.


118 posted on 06/10/2007 7:49:05 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: markomalley
I thought about doing the same. I’ve no doubt that they teach Real Presence, but I contend that there is a slight difference from the Latins in the area of Transubstantiation causing reticence about using the term.
119 posted on 06/10/2007 7:58:10 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: markomalley; GoLightly; Kolokotronis
The two individuals whom I pinged are far more qualified to speak to Orthodox theology than I am. Rather than either of us speculating on Orthodox attitudes on the Real Presence and/ or Transubstantiation, I think we should ask two individuals who would be in a position to know.

In the 17th century Latin terminology appear in in Eastern Orthodoxy by way of pat. Cyril Lucaris, who studied in Geneva and was infuenced by Calvinism, and in Ukraine following the 1596 Union of Brest-Litovsk which resulted in millions of Eastern Orthodox accepting communion with Rome, and the establishment of the Unkrainian Greek-Catholic Church.

Met. Peter Mogila (Mohyla) of Kiev uses the term "transubstantiation" around 1640 for that reason, and in 1672 the Council of Jerusalem states:

Several years later a local Council in Constantinople uses the word "transubtsantiation" in a similar manner. However, the term is not encountered in source earlier than 17th century, and probably not much if at all in the 18th century onward.

This comes mainly from the fact that Orthodoxy treats the Eucharist as real Presence and change from brea dnad wine into true Body and Blood, but wihtout elaboration or suggestion as to whta the mechanism of that is.

Today, the EOC uses the term "change" rather than transubstantiation.

124 posted on 06/10/2007 11:31:20 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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