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1 posted on 05/21/2007 1:31:44 AM PDT by bruinbirdman
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30 posted on 05/21/2007 5:00:40 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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He has Christians everywhere looking for signs of an emerging anti-Christ and, ultimately, in a cowardly fashion, looking forward to a time when Christ will rapture his church away from earthly troubles.

The message of the New Testament has always been that Christians will be persecuted to the death and that they should stand faithful and true to the one who gave his life for them and that one day he will return to judge the quick and the dead and, on that day, the whole of history and the universe will come to an end in an entirely unambiguous fashion.
34 posted on 05/21/2007 5:16:43 AM PDT by aruanan
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Save for later reading.


38 posted on 05/21/2007 5:30:13 AM PDT by SuperSonic (Bush "lied", people dyed.......their fingers purple.)
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There are legitimate reasons for the later date, including this...

Some of the early church fathers (Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, Irenaeus, and Victorinus) wrote that the Apostle John experienced exile on the island of Patmos during Domitian’s reign.3 They wrote that the government allowed John to return to Ephesus after this emperor died. Domitian died in A.D. 96. Consequently many conservative interpreters date the writing of this book near A.D. 95 or 96.

Tom Constable. (2003; 2003). Tom Constable's Expository Notes on the Bible (Jud 25). Galaxie Software.

51 posted on 05/21/2007 6:33:22 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (-Taken -)
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My prediction is that Mike’s going to get a lot of correspondence from clergy to the effect of “we’ll forego pretending we’re experts on criminology if you forego pretending you’re an expert on the Bible”.


56 posted on 05/21/2007 6:43:49 AM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and boy, is He ticked off. [I'm trying to keep it clean.])
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Sounds like a Methodist.


68 posted on 05/21/2007 8:01:59 AM PDT by therut
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How NOT to read the New Testament.
74 posted on 05/21/2007 8:14:42 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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>>1. The Revelation to John was written around 65 AD, not 95 AD.<<

Why on earth would start with this?

The important thing about the new Testament are the words of Jesus.

Then, much, much, less important but relevant is the early history of the church and the apostles.

Everything else is way below that.

The author seems more interested in scoring theological points than in actually helping people read the New Testament.


75 posted on 05/21/2007 8:16:32 AM PDT by gondramB (No man can be brave who thinks pain the greatest evil)
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91 posted on 05/21/2007 8:42:49 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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“After receiving the cherished card from his wife, my friend would sneak into their bedroom late at night (she always fell asleep while he was finishing his last TV show). After giving her a kiss while she was sleeping, he would take the card off his dresser and go into the spare room to read it by the light of a small lamp.”

Here’s a guy who stays up every night until his wife is asleep in bed, which says all sorts of things about their love life. Then he kisses her when it’s pretty sure she won’t respond and engage him in anything. Then he sneaks off to a spare room to read a card from her.

Sorry, but the lesson I draw from this has nothing to do with finding a soul mate, but rather the opportunities we throw away to tell those we love that we love them.

One night, he’s going to go into their bedroom and find she died while he was watching TV. Oh well, he can go read the note again, I guess.


95 posted on 05/21/2007 8:56:01 AM PDT by gcruse
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How to Read the New Testament

Left to right. Top to bottom has always worked well for me.

100 posted on 05/21/2007 9:47:24 AM PDT by fso301
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The anti-Christ was Nero

Um, yeah, Nero was an anti-Christ. But as scripture tells us, there will be many anti-Christs. (And there have been several already.)

104 posted on 05/21/2007 10:32:55 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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The “rapture” never happened and it never will.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."

1 Thess 4:15-17: "According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

One can argue about the timing, but no one can deny the rapture without denying scripture.

106 posted on 05/21/2007 10:36:30 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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The “rapture” concept was unknown until the 1830’s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture


107 posted on 05/21/2007 10:45:34 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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You done stepped in it!


112 posted on 05/21/2007 11:30:59 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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Another heretic like those left behind fiction writers.
135 posted on 05/21/2007 12:52:41 PM PDT by free_life
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Wow. He’s never really read Revelation before... But when some guy named “Mike” helps him interpret it, he goes against 2 millenia of Christian interpretation.

Yeah, I can really trust this writer to help me understand the NT.


138 posted on 05/21/2007 1:20:20 PM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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If Christians would simply study the New Testament themselves – instead of relying upon 21st Century “prophets” writing fictional books for 21st Century profits – they would arrive at a few very simple conclusions:

1. The Revelation to John was written around 65 AD, not 95 AD.

2. The anti-Christ was Nero, not some world figure yet to emerge in the 21st Century.

3. The tribulation occurred in the First Century around the time of the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD.

4. The “rapture” never happened and it never will.

5. The words of Jesus in Matthew 24 plainly reveal that most of the discourse in The Revelation to John is based on events in the First Century.

Gee, I've read and studied the whole new testament and I can't seem to find any of those things.

Do you have a more "up to date" version than I do. I have the KJV.

141 posted on 05/21/2007 1:29:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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Great article.

John


142 posted on 05/21/2007 1:38:15 PM PDT by Diggity
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How many Preterits does it take to change a light bulb?

None: They already changed it back in 70 AD.

BigMack

148 posted on 05/21/2007 2:29:40 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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