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To: bruinbirdman

Wow. He’s never really read Revelation before... But when some guy named “Mike” helps him interpret it, he goes against 2 millenia of Christian interpretation.

Yeah, I can really trust this writer to help me understand the NT.


138 posted on 05/21/2007 1:20:20 PM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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To: Silly
. But when some guy named “Mike” helps him interpret it, he goes against 2 millenia of Christian interpretation.

Er, uh, I don't know if I would mock someone by sneering that dispensationalism is a part of "2 millenia of Christian interpretation." It was absolutely unheard of before Darby in 1830. There is NO biblical evidence for a 2 stage coming of Jesus. There is NO biblical evidence for a restoration of a geopolitical nation of Israel as the people of God in the "end days." There is NO biblical evidence for almost any of the fanciful speculations and charts insisted on by dispensationalists. You have to have your charts and timelines in hand and then hammer the texts to "fit" them. You would never get there from a plain reading of the text.

And that is precisely why NO ONE EVER DID before the Darby hooked up with Edward Irving, a heretic presbyterian who got "tongues" and held camp meetings known for wild frenzied "prophesying." At one of these meetings, a Scottish milkmaid named Margaret McDonald had a "vision" where she informed the faithful that 1800 millenia of Christian study was WRONG and that Christ would NOT come back all at once, but would come in a "secret" way to sweep away his true believers before the end came (which was imminent, by the way, all the "signs" pointed to it!). The history of this person and influence on Darby is abundantly demonstrated documented and laid out in numerous places. I understand there are some sites on the web which reference this. I have not seen them, but did first hand research on this some years ago.

So actually THERE is your innovation and new theology. An ignorant, unlearned Scottish milkmaid in a fit of religious ecstacy, learned first hand from the Holy Spirit (who needs the bible, anyway?) that ALL the theologians who studied this stuff were WRONG and she had the key. Darby picked up on this and incorporated it into his "Plymouth Brethren" doctrine. Scofield wrote a series of study notes to put in his "study bible" and the rest is history..... but just the last 180 years or so of it.

Again, there is NO mention of this stuff before John Darby. NONE. The only reason dispensationalism caught on in America (and almost nowhere else) is because we have probably the historically most biblically ignorant group of Christians in history. Anything sounds good when you don't know anything.

155 posted on 05/21/2007 3:02:42 PM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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