Posted on 01/08/2007 5:34:25 PM PST by dcnd9
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"Deliver Us From Evil" is the story of Father Oliver O'Grady, the most notorious pedophile in the history of the modern Catholic Church. Completely lacking in moral fiber and devoid of any sense of shame or guilt, O'Grady used his charm and authority to violate dozens of faithful Catholic families across Northern California for more than two decades. His victims ranged from a nine month-old infant to the middle-aged mother of another adolescent victim.
Despite early warning signs and complaints from several parishes, the Church, in an elaborate shell game designed to avoid liability and deflect criticism, lied to parishioners and local law enforcement, while continuing to move O'Grady from parish to parish.
Over the years, O'Grady successfully exploited mothers and fathers in order to get to their children. His penchant for sexual mayhem was as essential to him as breathing, and internal Church documents prove that since 1973, he raped and sodomized with the full knowledge of his Catholic superiors.
Remarkably, "Deliver Us From Evil" filmmaker Amy Berg tracked down Father O'Grady and persuaded him to participate in the making of her film. O'Grady's account of his years in various Northern California parishes is chilling and he tells his story without remorse or self-reflection. Also included in the film is never-before-seen footage of the deposition of Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony and his former second-in-command, Monsignor Cain. She also interviews canon lawyer and medieval historian Fr. Thomas Doyle, former priests, lawyers and the abuse survivors themselves.
Director: Amy Berg Writer(s): Amy Berg Cast: Father Oliver O'Grady Release Date: October 13 2006 Official Site: Not Available Distributor: Lionsgate Genre: Documentary
Scripture authenticates Scripture. And I believe in the hard and truthful fact that the Holy Spirit speaks through Scripture. I search the Scriptures and find the answers.
Don't be so afraid of the process, A8. Trust God.
Sorry, but I think "it's true for me" or "it works for me" isn't really an answer with which a Christian should be satisfied. Jesus came to testify to the truth, not to make you feel comfortable.
RCs seek authority through their church, through the vagaries of men in gaudy robes and high hats
As opposed to trusting the witness of an Internet poster who assures us that her arguments and positions satisfy her?
That didn't answer his question.
Whose interpretation of Scripture do you consider authoritative?
You have no idea of my background, and you're preaching to me about guns!? Talk about a tangent! You and your carping about your "redneck" background can be insufferable.
I'm a gun rights supporter. I own a shotgun. I shot rifles when I was in the Boy Scouts. I got my Rifle shooting merit badge. I have several relatives in the military.
All we can do is look to our own lives and see how they measure up to Scripture. I hope your life is full and happy, Campion, and that your mind has been quickened by His word. By our fruits we’re known.
I'm a gun rights supporter. I own a shotgun. I shot rifles when I was in the Boy Scouts. I got my Rifle shooting merit badge. I have several relatives in the military.
Very well, but you're consistently ignoring my points. The US Bishops are anti-gun and generally politically liberal. They are well to the Left of traditional rural American Protestantism. The Catholic Church may have been to the right of Fundamentalist Protestantism at the time of the Inquisition, but it hasn't been for a long, long time.
Most of the grunt work for the conservative cause among American clergy is done by Fundamentalist Protestants while Catholic and Episcopal clergy are afraid of earning the wrath of the American popular culture and while Orthodox chr*stians and Jews live insular ethnic ghettos (if not literally, then of the mind).
That's all I'm saying. That's what I've been saying since your ridiculous statement about the Catholic Church standing alone against Hollywood. If you can't address that then forget it.
The only person who appears to be afraid is you, since you obviously keep avoiding my question by giving me everything but a *who* answer.
Here's the question again.
Whose interpretation is authoritative?
Here are some possible answers:
(1) No one's.
(2) Someone's, but we cannot know whose.
(3) Our own.
(4) Anyone who claims to have the anointing and has good fruit.
(5) Those having received this authority in unbroken succession from the Apostles.
So, which is it?
-A8
I may have found my church, we'll see. The Reformed Presbyterians will commune Roman Catholics, Lutherans. To them they are 'adherents' like the 'God Fearers' of the Old Testament. They won't commune me because I'm not an adherent, not a member of any church. Fair enough and good enough, though I felt so sad and alone when it was happening. Poor pastor, he has a weeper on his hands, but he's been as good as gold.
No matter. Jesus knows I believe He is the Vine, that I'm a branch and that he is the Bread of the Presence. If it turns out that I find no resting place in Christendom, I take comfort in the fact that when I break my own bread and drink my own wine I offer it to him as a way to affirm my belief in and solidarity with Him and His apostles as they shared the bread at His Last Supper.
I have addressed your spin of my statement. If you can’t address that, then I agree, let’s forget it.
I've been fascinated by your comments on this thread. I've disagreed with you on other points in the past, but I agreed with a number of things you said here. Given what you just said, I'm curious to know which Church, in your opinion, is the one true Church, the Church Christ founded?
-A8
Since you seem set on taking the words of men in place of the truth of Scripture, try the Westminster Confession of Faith, as good an understanding of God's will as can be found outside of Scripture, probably because every line is founded on Scripture.
"IV. The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, and obeyed, depends not upon the testimony of any man, or Church; but wholly upon God (who is truth itself) the author thereof: and therefore it is to be received, because it is the Word of God.[9] IX. The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture is the Scripture itself: and therefore, when there is a question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which is not manifold, but one), it must be searched and known by other places that speak more clearly.[23] X. The supreme judge by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Spirit speaking in the Scripture.[24] [9] 2PE 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2TI 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. 1JO 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1 TH 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
See post 131. I’m sorry if that doesn’t satisfy you. I realize your satisfaction seems to come from men in funny hats pretending to be what they are not.
Do you not realize that you just quoted from the WCF, which is merely the "words of men"? Do you not see the irony of accusing us of "taking the words of men" and then quoting to us from the "words of men"?
-A8
It has nothing to with "satisying me". It has to do with answering the question. Everybody who is reading this thread can see how you are avoiding answering the question.
-A8
I asked my pastor about it once, and he just sadly said that they felt they had to leave to protect the kids.
1 Corinthians 1:10
This is completely evasive. "It must be searched and known by other places that speak more clearly" ... who does the searching, who does the knowing, who decides which other places "speak more clearly," and, those other "more clear" places having been found, who is responsible for determining what they mean?
Ah, yeah, I think I got the “irony.” That’s how I posed my response.
Glad you got it, too.
But then Rome has never looked to the Scriptures first, by your own rationalization in post #66.
JPII grew up in Poland, where the Communists used the charge of homosexuality against many a priest and pastor they wanted to silence. Most of the evidence hints that he saw many (but not all) of the cases that way. As trumped up charges. He was very hesitant to beleive any of them because of his prior life in Poland during the Cold War.
And the local bishops had a far greater hand in hiding what was going on. Which has made for some decent “fiction” books (Windswept House for example) that makes you wonder.
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