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Fr. Geiger's Review

The Nativity Story Not on Par with The Passion of Christ

By Fr. Angelo Mary Gieger, FI

On November 27th, I attended a prescreening of New Line Cinema’s The Nativity Story, after having read and participated in several blog discussions concerning the Virgin Birth. Going into the theater, my expectations were low, due to the amount of confusion expressed by Catholics who were discussing a depiction of Mary in the throes of the pain of childbirth. In all fairness, however, I have to report that I found the movie, in general, to be a pious and reverential presentation of the Christmas mystery, albeit one from a clearly Protestant tradition. But for that reason, not only does the movie get the Virgin Birth wrong, it thoroughly Protestantizes its portrayal of Our Lady.

Today, one must commend any sincere attempt to put Christ back into Christmas, and this film is certainly one of them. Unfortunately, we now often find ourselves defending the Christmas mystery, both from the secularists, and from the demythologizing scripture “scholars,” who casually explain away the whole infancy narrative, from the apparitions of the angels to the very event of the Incarnation itself. Happily, no such agenda is apparent in this film. Present are all the angelic apparitions, the miraculous star, and the Magi actually called by their given names from Catholic tradition: Gaspar, Melchior and Balthasar. In fact, in this movie, it is Melchior who drives home the essential truth of Christmas, by quoting the prologue of St. John, calling the newborn Jesus “the Word made flesh.”

Producer Wyck Godfrey, writer Mike Rich and director Catherine Hardwicke, have created a film that seems to consciously follow in the footsteps of Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ. Recognizing the public’s desire for Gibson to produce a Christmas story, they took up the torch, so to speak, when Gibson showed no interest in the project. The connection with Gibson’s movie can be seen in the similarities of the promotional material, the shoot location in Matera, Italy, and even in the opening shot, tilting from the sky downward and through the clouds. According to one report, a fake olive tree built in Matera for The Passion of the Christ is even used on the set for Nazareth.

However, the contrasts between the movies are even more striking. The Passion is a fundamentally Catholic film, while The Nativity is clearly a Protestant one. While scriptural blanks exist in both cases, Gibson provided the necessary details through the help of Catholic mystics, ultimately yielding a multi-layered, contemplative, and wholly reverential film. In stark contrast, Hardwicke, a Presbyterian, directs a much more “ecumenical” Nativity, one in which the filmmakers consulted “as many historians and theologians as possible,” yielding a film that is predictably muddled.

Consensus theology generally renders an ecumenism of the lowest common denominator. As such, this portrayal of the Nativity manifests this tendency where one would expect it to, in regard to the character of Mary.

Mary in The Nativity lacks depth and stature, and becomes the subject of a treatment on teenage psychology. According to Godfrey, Hardwicke was chosen to direct because “[s]he has had great success at really capturing the lives of young people in particular, and the conflict, crisis, and pain of growing up.” In fact, Hardwicke co-wrote and directed Thirteen, a hard-edged, R-rated story about teen rebellion. Unfortunately, the Mary of The Nativity seems to have been spattered with the same brush that Hardwicke used for the earlier film.

Hardwicke explains her rationale in an interview:

We wanted her [Mary] to feel accessible to a young teenager, so she wouldn't seem so far away from their life that it had no meaning for them. I wanted them to see Mary as a girl, as a teenager at first, not perfectly pious from the very first moment. So you see Mary going through stuff with her parents where they say, "You're going to marry this guy, and these are the rules you have to follow." Her father is telling her that she's not to have sex with Joseph for a year—and Joseph is standing right there. That's very personal and startling, and you can imagine how that would make a person feel.

So much for the Immaculate Conception, the joint predestination of Mary with Christ (Pius IX, Pius XII), Her perfect and effective cooperation in God's plan, and the Perpetual Virginity. Ignoring these doctrinal truths results in a virtual coup against Catholic Mariology. In fairness to Hardwicke, this was hardly her intention. In her mind, this movie is about “the most famous teenager in history.” The Nativity itself is just the setting for a story about growing up.

This mindset leads to a general observation regarding the difference between the Catholic approach of The Passion of the Christ and the Protestant one of The Nativity Story. It is roughly equivalent to the vast differences seen in the style, scope and substance in the works of the likes of a Mary of Agreda and that of a Max Lucado. Whatever attempt was made by the Catholic mystics to represent the psychology of the Incarnate Son of God or the Immaculate Conception was done from a decidedly doctrinal point of view, characterized by humility and reverence. Whereas, the more Protestant and humanistic approach relies almost entirely upon complete character identification. The reader or viewer must be able to see themselves in the place of the main characters. This usually involves creating scenarios in the experience of these characters similar to our own, irrespective of a received tradition. Perhaps the most universal scenario portrayed both in literature and drama is the human experience of the Fall. Certainly, the Catholic contemplative tradition has always sought identification with Christ, and Our Lady, but this in no way involves a meditation on the Fall. In The Passion of the Christ we find plenty to identify with, but Our Lord and Our Lady are never seen as anything less than heroic. The difference between the Mary of The Passion of the Christ and that of The Nativity Story is the difference between being raised up by the sacred truth we contemplate or being dragged down by the debasement of the mystery through a failed effort to understand it. The Mary of the The Nativity Story is definitely and decidedly fallen.

Thus, it is rather disconcerting to see Our Blessed Mother portrayed with “attitude;” asserting herself in a rather anachronistic rebellion against an arranged marriage, choosing her words carefully with her parents, and posing meaningful silences toward those who do not understand her. All this, of course, changes with the Annunciation. A pregnancy she cannot explain is the crisis that transforms her. It is understandable that a Protestant mindset toward Our Lady wouldn’t resist the temptation to novelize her, for the purpose of character identification, or to capitalize on such an opportunity for dramatic tension.

Likewise, the artist’s hand hones in on the climax of the story, the birth itself, with mixed results. Hardwicke creates dramatic tension by conjoining the frantic efforts of St. Joseph to find shelter with the supposed labor pains of Mary. The light of the star arrives at the manger cave and shines in through a hole just as St. Joseph, clearly awestruck, delivers the Holy Child. Here, dramatically speaking, Hardwicke succeeds. The reverent intentions of the filmmaker are clear enough, but confusion on the part of Catholics is inevitable.

Following the premier of the film at the Vatican on Sunday, heated discussions about the “painlessness” of the Virgin Birth immediately erupted. However, many of the comments in the blogosphere miss the point entirely. The essential truth of the Virgin Birth, as taught continually by the Fathers and defined by the Church, does not concern the presence or absence of pain during Jesus’ birth. The central truth of the Virgin Birth is that Christ was born of Mary miraculously, as a sign and confirmation of His divinity. The Virgin Birth has always been distinguished from the Virginal Conception, because it was a separate and distinct miraculous event. It was not a natural birth, nor is it explainable by natural causes. Our Lady’s physical virginity, with all that it implies, remained integral and intact before, during and after the birth of Jesus. St. Bernard, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Bonaventure and the Catechism of the Council of Trent all teach the painlessness of the birth as a logical consequence of its miraculous nature.

The Virgin Birth is an essential part of the dogma of the Perpetual Virginity, and in addition to its value as a sign of Christ’s divinity, its miraculous nature just further underscores Our Lady’s unique, grace-filled and exalted place in God’s plan. It inspires us to praise Her, admire Her and love Her for Her glorious Virginal Maternity. And while one might expect a Protestant filmmaker to get this wrong, it at least opens up the discussion which can help correct a real doctrinal error believed by many Catholics.

Other aspects of the movie enjoy only mixed success. While individual scenes are visually beautiful, the total effect of The Nativity’s filmmaking is one-dimensional and rarely moving. The overall seriousness and reverence with which the subject matter is treated is broken by the rather awkward comic relief provided by the Magi, an unnecessarily disturbing scene of a young Jewish girl being abducted by the Romans, and an overly graphic scene of St. Elizabeth giving birth to John the Baptist. (The slaughter of the innocents, shown in two sequences, is a relatively mild presentation.) While the scenes of the Magi may indeed appeal to children, the presentation of the two births, especially Elizabeth’s, are just not suitable, in my opionion, for young children to view. The portrayal of St. Joseph is refreshingly masculine and virile. His character is well-developed as a just man, and his honor becomes a central theme of the story. Unfortunately, this is juxtaposed by the aforementioned rather flat and disappointing portrayal of Mary.

It is also worthy to note that there is at least one cinematic and spiritual triumph in The Nativity Story, namely, the Visitation of Mary to St. Elizabeth. Although the Magnificat is relegated to a kind of epilogue at the movie’s end, the meeting between Mary and Elizabeth is otherwise faithful to the scriptures and quite poignant. In a separate scene, the two women experience the concurrent movement of their children in utero and share deeply in each other’s joy. I can’t think of another piece of celluloid that illustrates the dignity of the unborn child better than this.

The Nativity Story in no way compares to the masterpiece which is The Passion of the Christ, but it is at least sincere, untainted by cynicism, and a worthy effort by Hollywood to end the prejudice against Christianity in the public square. Whether considered in light of its virtues or its flaws, the movie provides an opportunity to catechize people about the true meaning of Christmas, about the real gift that is Jesus, and about His Holy, Ever Virgin Mother, Mary.

The subject matter of The Nativity Story lends itself so well to the promotion of true devotion to Mary. Unfortunately, the way in which it was treated will only confuse the ignorant and confirm them in Marian minimalism. Perhaps there is some hope that the likes of a Gibson will one day match the sublime Marian art of The Passion of the Christ with a Nativity story truly worthy of Our Lady.

Ave Maria!

1 posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:50 PM PST by Pyro7480
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the Catholic Church has taught for over 2000 years that the referenced Scripture showed that Mary would not only conceive the child miraculously, but would give birth to the child miraculously - keeping her physical virginity intact during the birth.

What the heck does this mean? The Catholic Church is more worried about the hymen than about Mary's sexual purity? That seems weird.

9,437 posted on 02/07/2007 10:31:20 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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Oh good God. Is this thread ever going to end? Or at least, start a new thread for your splinter discussions?!?


9,566 posted on 02/07/2007 1:02:58 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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I saw the movie with Michael Medved, and did NOT like the way Mary and her parents were protrayed at all. Mary seemed insolent and her parents seemed mean.


9,721 posted on 02/07/2007 8:21:15 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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10,000! LOL!!


10,000 posted on 02/10/2007 1:30:44 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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I'm a practicing Catholic and say the rosary most days and I am also a mother who has given birth twice. I have no problem with a virgin giving birth in a natural way. I think that some of the culture of Mary is due to celebate men obsessing on who she is. To me she was a real flesh and blood person just as Jesus was both God and a real flesh and blood man who pooped and had sexual fantasies and felt pain.


10,416 posted on 02/14/2007 7:26:55 PM PST by Mercat (Conservative Catholic here and I will not rule out either Rudy or Mitt.)
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Did everyone see this thread?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1795015/posts


11,235 posted on 03/05/2007 9:02:48 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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I just don't agree, Pyro.

I saw it and thought it a truly moving and beautiful movie. Frankly, my respect for Mary and Joseph is even greater.

The differences between the Catholic and Protestant idea of Mary in the film, are not great enough to warrant all this hullabaloo.

11,472 posted on 03/19/2007 6:00:57 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag.)
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Pyro,

No offense....what where in the heck does Scripture indicate Mary gave birth in a miraculous way?

It is incredibly WEIRD to interpret the idea that Mary did not deliver the baby Jesus in the natural way in the verse quoted on this site. The only indication is that Mary’s conception was miraculous, not the birth.

What do you think actually happened....Jesus rose out of Mary’s chest like an alien baby coming out of some woman on The X-Files?

That is just illogical and frankly, unintelligent.


14,190 posted on 05/08/2007 7:35:11 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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"not only does the movie get the Virgin Birth wrong, it thoroughly Protestantizes its portrayal of Our Lady."

It does not 'Protestatize' the story, but rather presents it through the eyes of it's Director and writers, who as far as I am aware, do not officially represent any 'Protestant' organization . It should be noted that scripture does not say "that Mary would not only conceive the child miraculously, but would give birth to the child miraculously - keeping her physical virginity intact during the birth." Neither has the catholic or Catholic church taught this for 2000 years (implying that it was taught from the time of Christ).

While I'm not aware of when the first reference arose, I do not believe it was within the first 300 years of the church. If anyone does know of when the first reference was, that would be very helpful.

To contend that Catholic treatments are "characterized by humility and reverence", while the "Protestant and humanistic approach relies almost entirely upon complete character identification" is also a gross oversimplification. It also improperly associates Protestantism, humanism, Presbyterianism and Hardwicke, as if they are all somehow synonymous. I find this type of guilt by association only creates disunity and confusion.

Similarly, Gibson's Passion was not the "masterpiece' accepted by both Protestants and Catholics as implied. While a sincere effort, it contained scenes and perspectives which were based on Catholic traditions and Marianism, which created confusion and discomfort among viewers who were attempting to reconcile the movie with the strict adherence to scripture which many purported it to be.

"All teach the painlessness of the (virgin) birth as a logical consequence of its miraculous nature". God seldom limits himself to worldly 'logic'. He chooses the broken and lowly things of this world to glorify him. He sent a Messiah who had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him. He chose a marginal and rebellious people to be his Chosen People. God does not function by human wisdom.

For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom (1 Cor 1:25)

There is a danger to trying to ascribe to scripture that which is a product of human conjecture.
15,732 posted on 06/23/2007 7:55:53 AM PDT by DragoonEnNoir
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Bump for a later read.

We watched the movie for the first time last night (24 Dec 2007) and found it quite good...

Will be interested to read the rest of this thread to get up to speed on this thread.


16,255 posted on 12/25/2007 12:21:10 AM PST by Gamecock (Aaron had what every megachurch pastor craves: a huge crowd that gave freely and lively worship.)
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