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Halloween: Behind the Mask
Good News Magazine ^ | Fall 2005 | Jerold Aust

Posted on 10/22/2006 10:37:57 AM PDT by DouglasKC

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To: DouglasKC

Snatch the little monsters off the front porch and haul them off to a well deserved exorcism.


141 posted on 10/23/2006 10:15:53 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: redgolum

I remember one year taking my son trick or treating. We went up to a house that had a porchlight that was brightly blazing. On the door was a note that stated, "We are Christian, so do not observe Halloween." They could just as easily have turned off their lights the way most normal people do.


142 posted on 10/23/2006 10:20:51 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Trust: Hard to forge. Easy to break.)
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To: DouglasKC

"I understand that many don't like to hear this type of thing, but it's important to know where the customs we observe come from and why we observe them."
Well, Jesus was not born on December 25. From what I understand, the whole reason why we celebrate Christmas in December is because early Christians wanted a holiday to counter the pagans' Winter Solstice. Does that mean we shouldn't celebrate Christmas?
I am very much a Christian, and while I try and avoid the occult, I don't see anything wrong with a kid dressing up as Spider Man to get some free candy (Provided the kid is supervised, of course).


143 posted on 10/23/2006 10:41:29 AM PDT by Chewie84
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To: muir_redwoods
Let the kids enjoy the night and the Harry Potter books and let the grown ups concentrate on something important.

No one is against having fun. What we are against is the satanic and wiccan elements of these things, in a climate where the Christian meaning of Christmas and Easter are systematically driven out.

To a parent these things are quite important. They should be equally important to a citizen who plans to live in the same country with the generation we are raising on witchcraft. I am sure you yourself would also draw a line somewhere in the methods of fun you would allow your children. Where does the line go for you?

144 posted on 10/23/2006 10:48:23 AM PDT by annalex
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To: eleni121

Yeah, I think it used to be pretty much harmless, except maybe for some localized areas, but Satan has been loosed on the world in ways he wasn't before and I think it's playing with fire now.

If I were a parent I doubt I would put the kibosh on all recognition of this, but I'd try to put the emphasis on All Saints and All Souls days and off of the dark evening prior.


145 posted on 10/23/2006 10:50:02 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Face it, every empire comes to an end, and ours is on the down hill slope.)
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To: Junior
speaks to the advancement of society from ignorance to rationality. We can poke fun at superstition.

How do you know society has not gone from rationality to ignorance?

146 posted on 10/23/2006 10:52:11 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Face it, every empire comes to an end, and ours is on the down hill slope.)
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To: Chewie84
Well, Jesus was not born on December 25. From what I understand, the whole reason why we celebrate Christmas in December is because early Christians wanted a holiday to counter the pagans' Winter Solstice. Does that mean we shouldn't celebrate Christmas?

That's exactly what it means. The Lord's holy days, the ones he wants us to observe, are listed in Leviticus chapter 23.

147 posted on 10/23/2006 10:53:52 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: ichabod1

My sentiments exactly.


148 posted on 10/23/2006 10:56:13 AM PDT by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: HungarianGypsy
Do you also avoid birthdays and Fourth of July? Last time I checked Halloween wasn't being celebrated as a religious holiday.

Birthdays were observed and noted in the bible because the ages of many biblical figures are recorded. Thus I don't havea a problem with it.

The Fourth of July is a secular holiday that commemerates an event in United States history. I do observe it.

149 posted on 10/23/2006 10:56:49 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DungeonMaster
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
What?! Trick or treating is equal to idolatry?

It most likely falls under the 1st commandment: Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

By observing days dedicated to false gods against the wishes of God, you are putting other gods ahead of God.

From the article:

Halloween is a celebration of the opposite—of demonism, witchcraft, death and evil spirits.

God's Word makes it clear that no one should dare entertain witchcraft or act as a sorcerer. "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD" (Deuteronomy 18:10-11, emphasis added throughout).

God pronounced death on any Israelites who would dare dally with demonism or Satanism: "A man or a woman who is a medium, or who has familiar spirits, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones. Their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:27). "You shall not permit a sorceress to live" (Exodus 22:18).

Why such a harsh penalty? God did not want such perverted, demonic practices to spread among His people and corrupt others. "But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:5).

150 posted on 10/23/2006 11:01:01 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Quark2005
So, as I understand it now, Halloween, Harry Potter, the Lord of the Rings, the Theory of Evolution, the Big Bang Theory, modern contraception, vaccinations, standardized academic testing, latitudinarian religious study courses, yoga, Dungeons and Dragons, the Wizard of Oz, and just about everything else under the sun are plots to suppress and destroy Christianity by releasing demons?

You didn't read the article...did you?

151 posted on 10/23/2006 11:02:34 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: redgolum
Actually, if you read some of first and second generations of Christian writers, there is a lot more to prohibit the wearing of any type of gold than there is for celebrating the day before All Saints Day.

I don't put too much stock in what post-biblical writers had to say.

How about you use it to spread the Gospel instead? Put a Snickers and a Bible tract out to anyone who comes to the door?

Instead of encouraging the activities, I think more of an impact would be made by politely telling them that we don't observe Halloween for religious reasons.

152 posted on 10/23/2006 11:05:49 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: aNYCguy

You're a smart person I can tell...so you need to familiarize yourself with the evils of Wicca and the occult and any mind control cult on impressionable people.


153 posted on 10/23/2006 11:08:59 AM PDT by eleni121 ("Show me just what Mohammed brought:: evil and inhumanity")
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To: annalex
No one is against having fun. What we are against is the satanic and wiccan elements of these things, in a climate where the Christian meaning of Christmas and Easter are systematically driven out.

Which is the main point. The danger isn't that by dressing up and getting candy one day a year would lead to a child becoming pagan, but that the society is promoting a kind of agnostic polytheism. When you see show after show and book after book glorifying witchcraft, a Christian parent needs to be aware and guard their children against that.

154 posted on 10/23/2006 11:10:57 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: DouglasKC
I don't put too much stock in what post-biblical writers had to say.

Interesting shell game, as many of the writers were contemporaries of St. Paul. Rings meant something different then also than today.

155 posted on 10/23/2006 11:13:28 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: DouglasKC
If someone says that a particular activity that I do is dedicated to a false God, does that make it dedicated to a false God? Even if some activity IS dedicated to a false god by someone, does that mean it is to me?

A good example is building a compost. I read a pagan calender and they suggested building a compost in dedication to the Earth on may 1, beltane. It turns out that I have a compost. So does this mean that in the real God's eyes I am a practicing pagan? Of course the answer is a resounding no. Same for trick or treating.

156 posted on 10/23/2006 11:16:24 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Man defiles a rock when he chips it with a tool. Ex 20:25)
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To: redgolum
The danger isn't that by dressing up and getting candy one day a year would lead to a child becoming pagan, but that the society is promoting a kind of agnostic polytheism.

"Agnostic polytheism" is neopaganism.

157 posted on 10/23/2006 11:33:05 AM PDT by annalex
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To: DungeonMaster
A good example is building a compost. I read a pagan calender and they suggested building a compost in dedication to the Earth on may 1, beltane. It turns out that I have a compost. So does this mean that in the real God's eyes I am a practicing pagan? Of course the answer is a resounding no. Same for trick or treating.

Actually it's not the same. Halloween is a real pagan day of worship to false Gods. It's celebrated to this day by pagans and Satanists. If you're not a Christian then it's understandable that you participate in it because you don't know any better. If, however, you profess to worship the one, true God, then you are being held to a much higher standard by God. You have agreed to enter into a covenant with God and to obey his laws.

A compost heap could have been used by pagans, but so what? It wasn't part of a formal day of worship to false Gods. Having things in common with pagans isn't bad in and of itself, it's all about worship of God.

158 posted on 10/23/2006 11:35:03 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
In God's eyes worship has nothing at all to do with formal days. Worship is in Spirit. Therefore a pagan making a compost on any day to Mother Earth is an unclean act. My making it and thinking of bible is as holy an act as any Christian might do.

You are preaching a works based doctrine with your behaviorism and holy day stuff.

159 posted on 10/23/2006 11:38:10 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Man defiles a rock when he chips it with a tool. Ex 20:25)
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To: DouglasKC
Boo!
160 posted on 10/23/2006 11:38:59 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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