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To: vladimir998
But that wasn't what he was saying. Read the passage YOU posted again:
1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
The CHURCH OF THE LIVING GOD is the pillar and ground of the truth. The Church. That's what St. Paul says.

Although I personally believe him to be speaking of God, there is a variety of opinion on the subject. I don't have a problem at all with the the church of the living God being the pillar and ground of the truth. What I don't believe is that the organization known as the Roman Catholic church is the church of the living God being spoken of.

"I never claimed to be. Fortunately I put my faith in Jesus Christ and his spirit to lead me to truth." And He sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Church to get it right. Trust Christ then.

By definition, that's true. Anyone who has God's spirit is a member of his church and is led into the truth.

70 posted on 07/09/2006 4:39:38 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

You wrote: "Although I personally believe him to be speaking of God, there is a variety of opinion on the subject."

Oh, please. Post the variety of opinion (from reputable scholars and commentators please).

"I don't have a problem at all with the the church of the living God being the pillar and ground of the truth."

Wow, you actually have no problem agreeing with the inspired word of God?

"What I don't believe is that the organization known as the Roman Catholic church is the church of the living God being spoken of."

Okay, that's a completely ahistorical view, but we'll put it aside for the moment. The point here is that St. Paul says that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth and you can barely bring yourself to believe it is true. That's a problem for anyone who claims to be a Christian.

"By definition, that's true. Anyone who has God's spirit is a member of his church and is led into the truth."

Your understanding of such things is incomplete to say the least. Protestants disagree on basic doctrines. ALL Protestants. Doesn't that imply that no Protestant, or at leats few Protestants, by your definition, could be a member of the Church or have God's spirit in them or have been led to the truth?


71 posted on 07/09/2006 6:09:02 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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