Posted on 03/19/2006 6:25:15 PM PST by whispering out loud
This is something God showed me through the scriptures, which has really helped me to understand who God is, in all of is person. Firstly we know that God is three in his manifestation through God the Father, Jesus the Son, the Holy Spirit. We also know that God is one, Jesus said in his word “The Father and I are one”, He also said, “If you’ve seen me, you’ve also seen my father who is in heaven”. So God is three, and God is one, how can this be?
God helped me to understand this first by helping me understand that man is a three fold being, being body mind and spirit. Our mind being the controlling unit, it is our mind that bids us to do the things we do. Our body is the physical action part of our being we can do no physical action apart from our bodies, no mater how hard our mind wills it. Our spirit is our essence, it is the eternal part of us, as well as the part that ministers to and comforts others. Each of these three parts having their own individual functions, work together to accomplish the same goal.
Secondly God helped me to remember that we are created in the image and likeness of this same God. That being said God the Father is the mind, “the controlling unit” God (the trinity) does nothing apart from the will of the Father, see John 5:30, and Matt 26:42. Just as God the Father is the mind, Jesus is the body. He is the action part of God no physical action took place ever without Him. Even in creation he was present, in John chapter 1 He was called the word, and it was said that nothing was created without him. In Genesis and the creation account, God spoke the world into existence we speak words. Jesus was the words God spoke in the creation of the world making him the action part of creation. Jesus was also the action part of salvation apart from his death and resurrection we would have no hope of salvation. The Holy Spirit is somewhat self explanatory, he is the essence of God Jesus called him the comforter. Also present in the creation, Genesis 1:2 says, “The spirit of God moved upon the faces of the waters”.
Putting this together, The Trinity of God is three parts of one God, each having their own function yet working together to complete one divine purpose. The trinity was present in creation in all of its members, and the trinity is in full effect today. I hope this helps you as much as it helped me when God showed me. Just a little extra something for you, and this one’s free. We know that God cannot lie it is against His nature, but some food for thought. God’s word is so powerful that even if He could lie, the moment it left his lips, it would become truth. So even if he could lie, he still couldn’t lie.
Has your dog ever had kittens?
SD
Up to here you resoning is excelent. But from here on out you go too far and contradict plain scripture.
He is God in the Flesh. No one has seen God the Father, but they have seen God the Son. That is who was in the Garden with Adam and Eve. That is who supped with Abraham. That is who Isaiah saw sitting on the throne.
Show me a single scripture that uses the terms 'trinity' or 'God the Son'. We both know that you cannot.
Yes, Jesus is the express representation of God. But he is a man, NOT a God. That point is made over and over in the scriptures.
Depends on whether or not you're a literalist. Every religion takes their writings and decides which to take literally and which to take allegorically. You just happen to be taking the wrong parts literally. (of course I don't find NT writings as inspired but that's beside the point)
"Show me a single scripture that uses the terms 'trinity' or 'God the Son'. We both know that you cannot.
Yes, Jesus is the express representation of God. But he is a man, NOT a God. That point is made over and over in the scriptures."
You will find your answer in Phil 2:5-11
There is no contradiction, but when you have problems with the simple texts you cannot adequately deal with the more challenging texts.
Here's a key hint: look up the word "logos" and see all the ways that it is translated and used.
How can you separate God and His Word? God speaks and things happen. God's word is God's power.
There's more, but I don't think we can go into it here.
It is utterly poor handling of the Word to interpret an apparently ambiguous verse to your favor while ignoring many clear verses that don't support your idea.
But as long as you're determined to call Jesus God while the Bible CLEARLY and PLAINLY calls him a man, we're gonna be at loggerheads.
Hey that was the point I was trying to make. I had it first. :-)
How does Jesus being the "only begotten" Son of God make Him different?
SD
Because you're a hyper-literalist (thank you dave). Now if you can, read the verse again allegorically. I think you'll find in can be read two ways.
The world awaits Eagle Eye's "clear" Scriptural definition of "begotten." Perhaps giraffes can beget hippos.
SD
What does "only-begotten" mean when you read it in a non-literal way? How does it distinguish Jesus from Abraham or any other faithful follower of God?
SD
LOL...don't even try the "I am" schtick!
Buddy, you really need to study the Bible more than your dogma!
But, hey, Paul said 'I am that I am'...so that makes him a double God?
Again and again, you've preferred the apparently ambiguous texts over the word-for-word easy and simple texts.
To go along your thinking, you still have the problems of there being one God and one mediator between God and Man the man Christ Jesus as well as God not being a man, etc. So if Jesus is God and God is not a man, but Christ Jesus is a man, then what?
Your foundation is terribly crooked and crumbling. You cannot build off of a poor foundation.
"But, hey, Paul said 'I am that I am'...so that makes him a double God?"
Paul never said that.
Tts 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. And yours, it seems, epitomizes foolishness.
you've preferred the apparently ambiguous texts
LOL. I'm sure the 1st century Hebrews understood the implication of Jesus invoking the unspeakable Name of God. No ambiguity about it at all.
SD
He's thinking of Popeye.
SD
1Cr 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which [was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
Ok, so it was I am WHAT I am, not THAT...
Happy now?
What are you, about 1 for 25?
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