Posted on 03/19/2006 6:25:15 PM PST by whispering out loud
This is something God showed me through the scriptures, which has really helped me to understand who God is, in all of is person. Firstly we know that God is three in his manifestation through God the Father, Jesus the Son, the Holy Spirit. We also know that God is one, Jesus said in his word “The Father and I are one”, He also said, “If you’ve seen me, you’ve also seen my father who is in heaven”. So God is three, and God is one, how can this be?
God helped me to understand this first by helping me understand that man is a three fold being, being body mind and spirit. Our mind being the controlling unit, it is our mind that bids us to do the things we do. Our body is the physical action part of our being we can do no physical action apart from our bodies, no mater how hard our mind wills it. Our spirit is our essence, it is the eternal part of us, as well as the part that ministers to and comforts others. Each of these three parts having their own individual functions, work together to accomplish the same goal.
Secondly God helped me to remember that we are created in the image and likeness of this same God. That being said God the Father is the mind, “the controlling unit” God (the trinity) does nothing apart from the will of the Father, see John 5:30, and Matt 26:42. Just as God the Father is the mind, Jesus is the body. He is the action part of God no physical action took place ever without Him. Even in creation he was present, in John chapter 1 He was called the word, and it was said that nothing was created without him. In Genesis and the creation account, God spoke the world into existence we speak words. Jesus was the words God spoke in the creation of the world making him the action part of creation. Jesus was also the action part of salvation apart from his death and resurrection we would have no hope of salvation. The Holy Spirit is somewhat self explanatory, he is the essence of God Jesus called him the comforter. Also present in the creation, Genesis 1:2 says, “The spirit of God moved upon the faces of the waters”.
Putting this together, The Trinity of God is three parts of one God, each having their own function yet working together to complete one divine purpose. The trinity was present in creation in all of its members, and the trinity is in full effect today. I hope this helps you as much as it helped me when God showed me. Just a little extra something for you, and this one’s free. We know that God cannot lie it is against His nature, but some food for thought. God’s word is so powerful that even if He could lie, the moment it left his lips, it would become truth. So even if he could lie, he still couldn’t lie.
Tts 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. And yours, it seems, epitomizes foolishness.
So you profess words but can not define them? And when questioned, you turn God's Scripture into a weapon to be used as insult.
That's nice. And here I thought you were serious in wanting to defend your ideas. One would think a simple question of what "begotten" means could be answerable.
Did your mongoose lay baby ducklings?
SD
Well?
I guess Paul did Popeye before Olive Oil did.
"Ok, so it was I am WHAT I am, not THAT..."
Your getting closer. Now explaine how that makes him a "double God" per your previous post.
Sounds like you're trying to say that God could only beget another God. Or that God being spirit could only have a son that was spirit?
Is that what you're trying to say?
I can find several verses that clearly and in context state unambiguously that Jesus came in the flesh and was a man.
If you want to go a bit deeper, Jesus was the second adam. Adam was a HUMAN man. For Jesus to be the second adam, he'd have to be like the first.
Jesus was the Passover Lamb and by law had to be of the flock and not raised separately. In order to be the perfect sacrifice Jesus had to be a man, not a God.
Jesus was tempted in all way but God cannot be tempted.
Maybe it is time for you to get serious.
Eventually believers and non-believers alike, will see in the end.
I am not trying to say anything. You stated, several times, that Jesus was the only begotten Son of God.
I am only asking that you define your terms. Maybe when you are finished chest-thumping you can get back to me with your answers.
I'll remind you here, again, of the questions. What does "begotten" mean? And what is special/unique about Jesus that He is the "only begotten" Son?
SD
If I'm not reading it literally I must be reading it allegorically. Actually I'm not reading it all all since I don't believe its inspired but if I were, it wouldn't be hard to come up with a non-allegorical meaning.
Yes, you're off the hook cause I know you are an unbeliever. I was wondering what Eagle Eye meant by the terms, since he used them. And he seems to still have some residual attachment to Jesus as somehow vaguely important in the scheme of things.
SD
LOL....so you don't want to admit that Paul said essentially what I claimed and that you were essentially wrong in saying he didn't.
If one "I am" makes Jesus God, wouldn't two I ams make Paul double God?
Of course I'm being facetious!
When God told Moses 'I am that I am', God was saying that He can become what he needs to become. There is a bit of problem in English translation of Hebrew due to the lack of verb 'to be'. See Genesis 1 for examples.
When Jesus told his detractors (remember context is important!!) that before Abraham was, I am, he wasn't saying that he pre existed Abraham. He was telling ungodly priests that he (Jesus) was the fulfillment of prophesy; that before (previously) Abraham was, (Now) I am!
He was being direct and in their face. He was letting them know that he was the fulfillment of prophecy and the law. He was the truth, the life, and the way. That he was the only way to the Father, not that he was the Father!
He clearly separates himself from the Father by reminding them that the God they claim to worship is his father.
Not so difficult, really.
Romans 10:9 doesn't require me to believe that Jesus is God.
1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
It doesn't say to confess God the Son...or Jesus is God.
2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
That one seems to nail you and a couple others right between the eyes.
"When Jesus told his detractors (remember context is important!!) that before Abraham was, I am, he wasn't saying that he pre existed Abraham. He was telling ungodly priests that he (Jesus) was the fulfillment of prophesy; that before (previously) Abraham was, (Now) I am!"
Why do you persist in being wrong about scripture. Yes, Jesus said that he preexisted Abraham. How else could he have been the creator of all things?
You're relying on verses that you've been instructed to interpret in light of Jesus being God when they really don't say that at all.
And in doing so you still have to ignore the many verses that I've brought up.
If you have God the Father and God the Son, then you have at least two Gods, especially if we know that the son isn't the Father and vice versa.
God cannot be tempted with evil or disobeying himself, yet Jesus was tempted in all ways.
Can the devil tempt God to disobey?
In the beginning GOD...
God is the creator. Jesus is his son.
This is fundamental and if you don't get this part you'll be wrong over and over as you've repeatedly demonstrated.
To attempt to equate God and Jesus you will contradict dozens of clear scripture and concepts.
That one seems to nail you and a couple others right between the eyes.
Why is that? Do you think I deny that Jesus is "come in the flesh"? How ignorant, exactly, of orthodox trinitarianism are you?
Have you figured out what you mean by "only begotten" yet? When might I expect an answer? Or do you just like the way the words sound but imbue them with no specific meaning?
SD
How is Jesus "his son"? What does this mean? Is Jesus the son of God in some special way? Would the term "begotten" be used and might it have a specific meaning?
SD
Once again, read John chapter 1, It is clearly speaking of Christ. Jesus said, "The Father and I are one" Jesus is God.
"God is the creator. Jesus is his son.
This is fundamental and if you don't get this part you'll be wrong over and over as you've repeatedly demonstrated."
By my count you are now about 0-5. Read Col 1:12-16.
You should learn the Bible before you start expounding on the Bible.
Jhn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
So the disciples were God, too?
C'mon....
God was in Christ...Christ is in you (as a believer)..so that makes the believer God?
One in purpose...one in unity...not one as in identical.
1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
There ya go being arrogant again. If I had a nickel for each time you insinuated that you're more scholarly and more learned in scripture than the next guy I'd be a millionaire. Please take your head out of the clouds.
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