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To: vladimir998; Dr. Eckleburg; Campion; xzins; RnMomof7; George W. Bush; jude24
"It is only fair to wonder what could be the nature of such a burning self-reproach. There is one answer, based upon serious evidence, one that has always been passionately denied by the Protestants. In 1551, a Catholic controversialist revealed that the archives of the city of Noyon, Calvin's birth place, contain the record of a condemnation against Calvin, at age 18, for sodomy. He had by then already received the tonsure. His parents obtained clemency from the bishop, so that instead of being condemned to death as the law demanded, he was branded as a sign of infamy. The Catholic controversialist presented the evidence signed by all the eminent personages of the city. The English scholar Stapleton went there to examine the archives during Calvin's lifetime, and vouched for the fact. The contemporary German Lutherans spoke of it as an established fact (Schlusselburg, Théologie calvinienne)." ~~ vladimir998

Saint John Calvin was born in AD 1509.

If anything (if you believe the Charge of Sodomy), you are dating his Child-Sodomization by Roman Catholic Priests to age 18 at the latest, AD 1527.

John Calvin himself dates his own Experience of Conversion to 1528-1533: "At some point between AD 1528 and 1533 he experienced a 'sudden conversion' and grasped Protestantism. 'God subdued my soul to docility by a sudden conversion' was how Calvin described this experience. (http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/John_Calvin.htm)

He then, at age 27 in AD 1536, proceeded to write the most influential Book (other than the King James Bible) in the last Thousand Years, "The Institutes of the Christian Religion."

Your charge of "Sodomy" makes me sick, Vladimir and Campion. It is as if you were to say, of a young adolescent, "Our Priests raped him first; therefore, he has nothing more to say!!"

Maybe if your Romanist Priests were not so fond of Homosexual Child-Rape, you would never have had to deal with the genius of John Calvin. Maybe he would not have been so PISSED-OFF.

But IF your charge is True... and IF your degenerate Roman Catholic "Priests" DID Homosexually-Rape our beloved Saint John Calvin as an Adolescent... then ye have sewn the Wind, and ye shall reap the Whirlwind.

In the battle between the Institutes and the Summa Theologica -- at this point, I'd bet on the Institutes.

And, Spiritually, I intend to do just that.

Best, OP

209 posted on 03/19/2006 9:27:04 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (By the power of the truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; xzins; RnMomof7; George W. Bush; jude24; HarleyD; Gamecock; Frumanchu
Amen. There is no truth greater than the fact we reap what we sow. The Counter-Reformation never ended. Indeed, on this forum we witness it daily.

"Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellors of peace is joy." -- Proverbs 12:20

210 posted on 03/19/2006 9:57:13 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; Gamecock; RnMomof7; HarleyD; George W. Bush; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; ...
There are two types of sodomy.

The first is "carnal sodomy" which, of course, is a sin. All sins can be forgiven, when they are confessed and the grace of the Holy Spirit of Christ Arisen acquits the sinner.

The second is "spiritual sodomy" which is the perpetual intellectual rape of the Body of Christ.

This enormous sin is the working of Satan's deceit in the minds of his slaves, the disobedient sons of perdition, the slandering of Christ's chosen, the worshiping of the Beast.

In the French vernacular, there is a slang term for "sodomy". It is named after De Molina, the Roman Catholic architect of the teachings of spiritual sodomy.

Beware the greater sin of the perpetual intellectual rape of the Body of Christ.

Beware De Molina.

212 posted on 03/19/2006 10:40:07 AM PST by Aggressive Calvinist
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; vladimir998; Campion
In 1551, a Catholic controversialist revealed that the archives of the city of Noyon, Calvin's birth place, contain the record of a condemnation against Calvin, at age 18, for sodomy.

Jeez, Vladimir. What are you doing citing a Catholic equivalent of Jack Chick? What possible purpose could it serve?

Granting, arguendo, that Calvin was homosexual, that does not prove anything. That has absolutely no bearing on the veracity of the exposition in the Institutes any more than the recent child-abuse crisis in Roman Catholicism discredits the Magesterium. It was nothing more than a cheap shot coming from inside a glass house.

If you want to play dirty, we Protestants can find plenty of ammunition in the Catholic Church, from John Tetzel's flagrant abuse of indulgences to the recent child abuse coverups. Personally, I'd prefer to keep this civilized and keep a dialogue open.

214 posted on 03/19/2006 11:13:10 AM PST by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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