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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; vladimir998; Campion
In 1551, a Catholic controversialist revealed that the archives of the city of Noyon, Calvin's birth place, contain the record of a condemnation against Calvin, at age 18, for sodomy.

Jeez, Vladimir. What are you doing citing a Catholic equivalent of Jack Chick? What possible purpose could it serve?

Granting, arguendo, that Calvin was homosexual, that does not prove anything. That has absolutely no bearing on the veracity of the exposition in the Institutes any more than the recent child-abuse crisis in Roman Catholicism discredits the Magesterium. It was nothing more than a cheap shot coming from inside a glass house.

If you want to play dirty, we Protestants can find plenty of ammunition in the Catholic Church, from John Tetzel's flagrant abuse of indulgences to the recent child abuse coverups. Personally, I'd prefer to keep this civilized and keep a dialogue open.

214 posted on 03/19/2006 11:13:10 AM PST by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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To: jude24; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Gamecock; HarleyD; topcat54; RnMomof7; Aggressive Calvinist; ...
Granting, arguendo...

Even to "grant" that statement in argument is to imply that all children who are sodomized are sodomites.

Such deceitful muck is where they want to place the debate.

This thread must have really made them very agitated.

Re: Indulgences, it didn't stop with Tetzel.

"In 1988, John Paul II issued a document calling the faithful to obtain plenary indulgences (offered every 25 years) in the jubilee year of the Church in 2000, which caused the World Alliance of Reformed Churches to pull out of the jubilee celebrations in Rome..."

From:

WHAT CAN PROTESTANTS EXPECT FROM THE NEW POPE (Bishop of Rome) by Michael Horton

217 posted on 03/19/2006 11:30:57 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: jude24
Jeez, Vladimir. What are you doing citing a Catholic equivalent of Jack Chick? What possible purpose could it serve?
Granting, arguendo, that Calvin was homosexual, that does not prove anything

Thanks for the strong defense of the faith! You had best always work for the persecution.

This is simply mud slinging lies attempting to discredit a man of God.

The pot calls the kettle black and hopes that by smearing its own filth on others theirs is less an issue.

Sorry that dog does not hunt.

237 posted on 03/19/2006 12:46:50 PM PST by ears_to_hear
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