Posted on 01/17/2006 3:55:48 PM PST by annalex
Go to bed...lol.
Totally contrived, but the reasons why are clear.
Hey Yooooo!
Right back atcha. Happy New Year.
OUCH. That's gonna leave a mark.
You are really making noise when you could have read the article and figured all that for yourself, if you are so inclined. It is not that difficult. Look for passages that explain the difference between forgiveness of sin (atoned by Christ) and removal of after-effects of sin (not done by Christ).
Then reflect on Matthew 18:21-34 where payment for after-effects of sin is commanded.
Generosity from the faithful and great patrons. In a lot of places, churches and schools were built incurring great monetary debts that took decades to pay off. And then there is the maintenance. The parish that I belong to happens to be the cathedral of my archdiocese. Cleaning the ceiling - a series of masterpiece mosiacs installed over 61 years - costs about $500K to clean. Fortunately, that doesn't have to happen very often, but soot from candles does have to be cleaned off.
Where does the cash come from? We all write checks. we have a development department (incidentally the current practices in the world of development were formulated by one Joseph Cardinal Ritter) that raises money constantly for these purposes.
Incidentally, there was a recent article posted here on the Vatican archives and told of all the letters from the great Renaissance masters who were working on St. Peter's and in other places in the Vatican to the wealthy patrons asking for cash to keep projects going. All of those collections are kept in trust for future generations to be inspired and see what great passion gives the world.
A Jewish book which is in the Catholic Bible called Maccabbees. These are the people who give our Jewish friends Channakah.
BTW, if you know Handel's Messiah, the seventh movement "He Shall Purify" speaks to it, as well as the alto air about the refiner's fire.
Purgatory is clearly illuminated in Scripture as are indulgences. Your unwillingness or inability to see what is present is more a function of your Protestant perspective than scriptural content.
Really, I expected better of you than this little gem. You know very well that there is no "second chance" after death and if you read scripture you would know that nothing unclean can enter heaven. Purgatory is for the saved and the saved alone, it is made possible only because of the salvific work of the Lord. The damned dream of purgatory.
"BTW, if you know Handel's Messiah, the seventh movement "He Shall Purify" speaks to it, as well as the alto air about the refiner's fire."
That purification is to occure NOW - in this life!
Matthew 3:11
... he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"
1 Peter 1:7
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Knowing God MEANS being put in the fire because if you align with His cause the world will naturally hate you. Additionlly, in the light of His holiness you will soon come to hate yourself!
Hebrews 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.
Even Paul makes it clear that our suffering is only for the present time!
Romans 8:18
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
You've made up your mind not to investigate anything we have related. This volleying ends for me here.
Purgatory is poius fiction. It is no where mentioned in the Scripture.
"Heaven" refered to 277 times
"Hell" is refered to 162 times
"Purgatory" is never mentioned. You claim it is alluded to. Why would Jesus and the Apostles only "allude" to something so important - while they clearly taught us of the reality of the existence of Heaven and Hell?
"You've made up your mind not to investigate anything we have related"
Now how do you know that?
I have researched to verses Catholics claim as basis for their belief and found them to be unconvincing. I am willing to look at more if you have them.
PM, coming from someone who believes in the pious fiction of sola scriptura, I have to smile and shake my head.
"Other things not mentioned in the bible: trinity,"
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
"salvation by faith alone,"
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Luke 7:50
And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
"revelation only contained in Scripture"
We don't contend that.
Psalm 19:1
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
"denominationalism"
I Cor 11
"I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part, for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized. "
"PM, coming from someone who believes in the pious fiction of sola scriptura, I have to smile and shake my head."
Sola Scriptura, meaning the Scripture contains all that one needs to be saved adn live a life pleasing to God is definitely contained in the Scriptures. Do you want to see?
:)
Indeed "Sola Scriptura" -- ONLY the Word of God can be trusted.
"by letter or word of mouth" Sola Christian revelation, not sola scriptura.
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