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Polygamy and the Bible (Aberrant Theology Alert)
New Covenant Christians ^ | Stanislaw Królewiec

Posted on 01/15/2006 3:06:52 PM PST by SirLinksalot

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To: ark_girl
The whole point of the Bible talking about Israel's kings was that the people didn't listen to God and it brought on trouble and heartache.
181 posted on 01/17/2006 10:30:03 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Eagle Eye

Actually they mattered a little bit when the Law was given--Leviticus 18:18, "Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living." Marrying an unrelated rival wife is not condemned anywhere, though.


184 posted on 01/17/2006 6:00:47 PM PST by ahayes
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To: bigsigh

Yes.


185 posted on 01/17/2006 9:42:41 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Polyandry, however (more than one husband at a time) is strictly forbidden. The wife and all husbands after the first would be guilty of adultery, a capital offense.

If a man marries ten wives, every child will be of known parentage. Each will be descended from the husband and from the particular wife who gives birth.

If a woman were to marry ten husband, her children would not be of known parentage. She would be the mother of all, but the fathers would be indeterminate.

186 posted on 01/20/2006 4:15:34 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: SirLinksalot
One thing I'm surprised hasn't been touched upon is the transition from "bride prices" to dowries. When polygyny was at least somewhat permissible, a man seeking marriage would have to pay the girl's father (at least if she was a virgin). Later, when polygyny was forbidden, things reversed and, if anything, the girl's father would pay the groom to take his daughter.

Supply-and-demand economics would explain this pretty well. I don't know what sum would usually be demanded as a bride price, but I would expect that even if polygyny would be permitted for those who could afford it, it would in practice probably not have been terribly common.

BTW, the Old-Testament rules surrounding adultery were not symmetrical between men and women: adultery was specifically the crime of a man (married or not) having relations with another man's wife. A man who had relations with a virgin could be compelled by the girl's father to marry her, and such compunction would not be affected by any existing marriage the man might have. There are clearly logical reasons behind the assymetry in Old-Testament law; some of those reasons still exist while others do not.

187 posted on 01/20/2006 4:28:24 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat
I have to admit that Polygamy creeps me out a little.

But, it is clearly not condemned in the Bible. Anyone who makes that argument can easily be repudicated.

And Lawrence v Texas makes it clear that any law prohibiting polygamy (in at least the informal sense) is unconstitutional.

There are plenty of good arguments against polygamy.

It's just that the Bible isn't gonnna be much help..

188 posted on 03/13/2006 1:14:19 AM PST by LoveDoc
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To: LoveDoc
not only repudicated but repudiated too! :)
189 posted on 03/13/2006 1:15:09 AM PST by LoveDoc
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To: SirLinksalot

One of the criteria for Overseers (aka Elders) and Deacons is that they live a blameless life. As far as wives go, the critera is such:

1 Timothy 3:1 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. 2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife....

1 Timothy 3:12 Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well....

Seems to me that one wife is the expectation for all.


190 posted on 03/13/2006 1:27:23 AM PST by Gamecock (“We don’t preach the gospel clear enough for the non-elect to reject it.” ((Unknown))
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To: Gamecock
Seems to me that one wife is the expectation for all.

I agree with you on every count. However, just for argument's sake, how do you respond to a "christian" ( note the quotes ) who says he is exempt from the Timothy instruction because he isn't interested in being an Elder, Minister or Deacon ?

Just interested in hearing your response.
191 posted on 03/13/2006 7:14:31 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: Gamecock
You forgot a word.

"...One wife is the expectation for all..." Should be:

...One wife is the expectation for all... elders.

How you get all 'people' out of that is a mystery. lol!

192 posted on 03/13/2006 7:17:37 AM PST by LoveDoc
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To: LoveDoc
I know this wasn't directed to me, but as to the question:

"How do you respond to a "christian" ( note the quotes ) who says he is exempt from the Timothy instruction because he isn't interested in being an Elder, Minister or Deacon?"

The answer is, first lose the scare quotes around the word Christian as it's a gratuitous cheap shot.

And secondly, and perhaps more painful for some, the answer is that there is NO prohibition against polgyamy for those who don't want to be an elder or deacon.

193 posted on 03/13/2006 7:20:52 AM PST by LoveDoc
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To: jwh_Denver

I was hoping someone would post that.

Isn't it amazing how Biblically ignorant people are on FR?

Just because people in Biblical times disobeyed God and what He wanted doesn't mean disobedience is right. But hey, you know how people are today ... they still thumb their nose at Him for the same reasons.


194 posted on 03/13/2006 7:27:55 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: cva66snipe
In the case of Sarah and Abraham, Sarah was barren. It was upon HER suggestion that Abraham "know" Hagar. This wasn't God's idea. It didn't work out very well either. Later God did grant her Isaac which means laughter in Hebrew. So just because Sarah encouraged Abraham to "know" her maid didn't make it right and in my mind serves as an example of how polygamy doesn't work.
195 posted on 03/13/2006 7:31:07 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: jwh_Denver
Oh, ignore them. They just highlight their stubborn ignorance. Some wish to remain ignorant.
196 posted on 03/13/2006 7:32:27 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
"Just because people in Biblical times disobeyed God and what He wanted doesn't mean disobedience is right."

You are correct sir. Disobedience will never...ever...ever bring God's best and could yield a lot less.

But, some people, for whatever reason, determine that certain things are disobedience when they are not. For example, many people believe because of the prohibition found in Acts 15:20, that it would be 'disobedient' to receive a blood transfusion.

So, they don't because they don't want to be 'disobedient.'

But there is NO prohibition against blood transfusions in the Bible.

Same with polygamy. (except for in the case of elders.)

197 posted on 03/13/2006 7:38:09 AM PST by LoveDoc
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To: nmh
"In the case of Sarah and Abraham, Sarah was barren. It was upon HER suggestion that Abraham "know" Hagar. This wasn't God's idea. It didn't work out very well either. Later God did grant her Isaac which means laughter in Hebrew. So just because Sarah encouraged Abraham to "know" her maid didn't make it right and in my mind serves as an example of how polygamy doesn't work."

Call be crazy, but I'm getting the distinct impression that some people say polygamy is denounced in the Bible for no other reason than they want it to be!

LOL!

I mean, when I read comments like "Oh, they're just stupid, ignore them." or someone using the Abraham/Hagar debacle (which was one of the worst decisions made in the history of mankind) as arguments against polygamy, it should give pause to any rational/reasonable person..

Trust me on this folks: There are many legitimate reasons to not be a fan of polygamy.

But the Bible's condemnation is not one of them.

Ps And either is 'it's against the law.'

198 posted on 03/13/2006 7:46:31 AM PST by LoveDoc
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To: SirLinksalot
Fair question that I answered in my head, but not here.

Others have made the case for one wife/one husband in the O.T. Here in the NT, where Christianity is moving into Pagan cultures where polygamy may be the norm, the guideline for Christian behavior is being laid out. Granted this is for church leaders, but the principle of one wife/one husband for everyone is an underlying there. Mature Christians, the type who led churches, are to have one spouse.

Elsewhere in the NT all are exhorted to grow into maturity. I see that as the point to refute those who don't aspire to become elders/deacons.
199 posted on 03/13/2006 8:17:10 AM PST by Gamecock (“We don’t preach the gospel clear enough for the non-elect to reject it.” ((Unknown))
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To: LoveDoc
There are plenty of good arguments against polygamy.

It's just that the Bible isn't gonnna be much help ...


There is plenty of evidence against the practice of polygamy in the Bible.

There is no express prohibition/condemnation of polygamy in the Bible.

Of course, ... there is also no express prohibition/condemnation of sticking a fork into a live electrical outlet in Bible either.

But we are counseled (commanded) ... to be wise ... and to live lives (as christians) ... free from even the appearance of selfishness and sin.

Every single example of polygamy in the Bible is portrayed as having negative results ...
... wives and children are cast out

... half-brothers and sisters enslave, rape and kill one another

... struggle between competing wives
With these as the fruit of polygamy protrayed in the Bible, I don't think that anyone could claim that such a lifestyle could be considered a 'wise' choice.


200 posted on 03/13/2006 8:22:39 AM PST by Quester
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