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To: Forest Keeper
If you equate "good life" with Godly life and suppose that a truly lost person can lead a truly Godly life, thus winning salvation, then perhaps we are farther apart than I had thought. :)

I say that no-one is truly lost at the start of their life. God is willing to save them at every stage of their lives, they just have to surrender. The truly lost are lost at the end of their earthly bondage, not before their birth as you believe.
829 posted on 01/09/2006 6:48:35 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Cronos
I say that no-one is truly lost at the start of their life. God is willing to save them at every stage of their lives, they just have to surrender.

That's a fair answer. One thing I can't square are cases like Judas and Pharaoh. I would say that God both knew and required that Judas would betray Jesus. Was God really willing to save Judas at every stage of his life? Wasn't Judas born to fulfill scripture?

I was just ready to offer you the out of saying that "if Judas had come to Christ, God would simply have selected another to betray Jesus". But this fails because Jesus CHOSE Judas as one of the twelve, knowing full well in advance what he would do. It was all by design. Judas fulfilled his destiny perfectly, as God determined. As harsh as it may sound, Judas did not have a chance because God so ordained it in His good, pleasing, and perfect will.

896 posted on 01/10/2006 1:09:40 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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