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To: jo kus
Are you saying that God allows evil to happen because He is sadistic?

Forget about "once-saved always-saved"...

It is a monstrous idea you have of God, if I am reading you correctly. God allows evil to occur for a greater good to come from it.

God does not desire that a man reject Him.


540 posted on 01/06/2006 8:45:23 AM PST by HarleyD ("Command what you will and give what you command." - Augustine's Prayer)
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To: HarleyD
Did I say God is sadistic? God allows evil to happen to carry out His plan-nothing more. God himself bring calamity on man. Why would you think this is sadistic?

How else am I supposed to take your emphasis and underlining of the following Scripture without explanation: But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting {Him} to grief;?

I don't believe in "once-saved always-saved". I believe in perseverance of the saints.

And naturally, God told you that you are infallibly one of them... How many Protestants do you know of your persuasion make the same claim?

I would suggest you spend a bit more time in the Old Testament and a little less time in cathecism. If God didn't allow Adam to sin there would be no need for Christ.

Perhaps. I intend on reading the Book of Judith next week. "Oh happy fault, Adam, that brought us such a Savior"... An evil brings about the greatest of good.

All men ALREADY rejects God. It's a matter of God's divine grace to change our hearts so that we will accept Him.

I disagree. Man does not have the ability to do good consistently without God. We are born without sanctifying grace. Our intellect is clouded. Our will is damaged. This does not mean we REJECT God. To reject something means we must have full culpability and knowledge of what we are rejecting. Thus, Satan was given one opportunity to reject - and is forever cast out of God's presence. God gives us more opportunities because we do not have such a clear view of God's Will. God's graces rain down on the good and evil alike. It is whether the person is prepared to accept God's Graces or allow them to fall in vain upon them that will determine our destiny.

Regards

543 posted on 01/06/2006 10:05:11 AM PST by jo kus
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To: HarleyD
Did I say God is sadistic? God allows evil to happen to carry out His plan-nothing more.

Isn't that the same as saying God planned evil? He set out a plan that includes Him Allowing evil. So evil is in His plan, so He planned evil. That's wrong.
683 posted on 01/08/2006 7:43:52 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: HarleyD
Did I say God is sadistic? God allows evil to happen to carry out His plan-nothing more.

Isn't that the same as saying God planned evil? He set out a plan that includes Him Allowing evil. So evil is in His plan, so He planned evil?
684 posted on 01/08/2006 7:44:07 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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