[annalex]

if God chooses an "elect", he chooses a "damned", he chooses the sins we commit, he MAKES us sin

In its purest, most blasphemous terms that was stated by Zwingli. Others fudge over it. God,-- Zwingli said, and I paraphrase, -- commits a murder through the murderer, then very quickly (being God, he is quick) turns around and sends the murderer to hell for that.

If you believe in that, you'll believe in Islam.

[kosta50]

In its purest, most blasphemous terms that was stated by Zwingli. Others fudge over it. God,-- Zwingli said, and I paraphrase, -- commits a murder through the murderer, then very quickly (being God, he is quick) turns around and sends the murderer to hell for that.

If you believe in that, you'll believe in Islam.

AMEN!

[P-Marlowe]

Others fudge over it. God,-- Zwingli said, and I paraphrase, -- commits a murder through the murderer, then very quickly (being God, he is quick) turns around and sends the murderer to hell for that.... If you believe in that, you'll believe in Islam.

Isn't that exactly what occurred at the crucifixion? Did not Jesus pick Judas for just that purpose? Had Jesus not chosen Judas, Judas would not have been in a position to betray him, would he? If Jesus had not intended to send Judas to hell from the very moment he laid eyes on him, then Jesus did not know the future and he did not know His purpose.

Jesus answered them, Did not I choose you the twelve, and one of you is a devil? Now he spake of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. (Joh 6:70-71 ASV)

I would be careful about calling that blasphemy.

[Cronos]

commits a murder through the murderer, then very quickly (being God, he is quick) turns around and sends the murderer to hell for that.

pretty quick!