Posted on 11/12/2005 10:01:14 AM PST by NYer
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We've all heard them, now you rationally explain them away.
These are all good arguments. On the other hand, the arguments against celibacy, in my opinion, always seem to come off as inherently illogical.
I certainly agree that there is nothing wrong with living a celibate life. It is commended by Paul for those who can. However, I don't think this should exclude married men from being church leaders. As I read the Bible (1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1), I think both single and married men are eligible. I also think numerous Protestant denominations that are now allowing women and, in a few cases, practicing homosexuals, are deviating from God's intent for church leadership, and their disobedience is to their own detriment.
I don't see it as a scriptural REQUIREMENT to be a priest (pastor or rabbi). I can see it being encouraged, but not mandated. I believe this is a manmade commandment. I can certainly see some disadvantages to being married and in the priesthood but not insurmountable. I don't believe the figures quoted for sexual misconduct because they should approximate the pool of the general public. The cover-ups that we know about hint the figures are much higher.
It is not quite as simple as you seem to think. I am a Roman Catholic practicing my faith in an Eastern Catholic Church. Our pastor is bi-ritual (Maronite and Latin) and celibate. Following the election of Benedict XVI, someone asked if he thought this pope might open the Latin Church to a married priesthood. His response was quite illuminating.
In a nutshell, he described the process in the Maronite Church for those married men who seek to become priests. It is quite lengthy and entails great scrutiny of the man, his wife, children and their marriage. There can be no room for scandal resulting from divorce. He went on to describe the challenges faced by the married priests, once assigned to parishes. Their wives and children are scrutinized by parishioners. Then there are the costs associated with supporting the priest and his family. Our pastor pointed to the number of parishes closing in this country from lack of funds. If the Church can't financially support a celibate priest, how could afford all the expenses needed for the wife and kids.
Recently, I posted a thread written by a Lutheran pastor who converted to the Catholic faith. He essentially supported the celibate priesthood, describing the times he couldn't attend the kids' concerts, sports games, etc. His family meant a lot to him and it was a tremendous challenge to divide his time between the needs of his parishioners and those of his family.
There's an old expression: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
The Latin priest, and many of the Eastern Catholic priests, model their lives on Jesus Christ, who was celibate.
"His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with [his] wife, it is not good to marry. But he said unto them, All [men] cannot receive this saying, save [they] to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]." - Matthew 19:10-12
Though it is not "forbidden" for the clergy to marry in the Christian religion, it is strongly recommended that one does not marry, if one is to be a priest or minister. I have read how Protestant minister's families have interfered in their religious duties. A Catholic priest does not have these concerns and can give God's work first priority.
Well, I agree that there are Protestant ministers that are not necessarily following the leadership qualifications. Because in addition to saying "the husband of one wife", the passages in 1 Timothy 3 (as well as Titus 1) indicate that they need to be "one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?)."
NYer, this is one of the silliest series arguments I've ever seen for priestly celebacy. There are only two arguments which have any validity at all.
1. The vocation of celebacy is the crown jewel of The Church
2. Its just the way history worked out in the Latin Church (which is a variation on the Orthodox and Eastern Rite Churches in communion with Rome knowing what they are doing with a married priesthood and Rome neither does nor would).
Bottom line, this stuff always leaves me feeling that the real reason the Latin Church won't have a married priesthood is that you people in the pews simply won't pay for it and Rome as a practical matter can't.
They are not 'forced' or coerced. Celibacy is a choice. It is a discipline; not dogma. Those who choose it do so out of love for Christ and the people they serve. It is based in Scripture. Christ was celibate, as was St. Paul. Why must everything be based on sexuality? I am celibate and haven't died from it .. yet ;-).
Corrupted text. As only one example, "must" wasn't in the original.
I agree with everything you wrote. Of course sin is implicated in all of this. In Orthodoxy we don't have a divorce rate among our priests at anything approaching the Western averages, but everytime one occurs it is major news and a major disgrace. The society of priests' wives of the GOA is very conscious of the stresses faced by the families of priests. But I must tell you, I don't see those stresses as being anything more, and usually far less, than those experienced by the wives/husbands and families of any busy 21st century professional.
Current Western attitudes towards marriage are the real problem. For years I have made it a practice to with some regularity read +John Chrysostomos' XX Homily on Ephesians. It is one of the finest, if not the finest, piece ever written on Christian marriage and keeps me on a straight track in my own 28 year marriage.
Excellent posot!
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