[DallasMike]

 

[stuartcr]

The only thing I could possibly say to either group, would be 'prove it'

[DallasMike]

Would you do me a favor and ping the Creationist list. I know that you and disagree on some points, but we both agree that Jesus Christ is the creator and ruler of the universe and I would argue that this is the important thing.

You're welcome to shoot me down or enlist others to shoot me down -- I'm not infallible and, if perceive that I'm wrong, I will gladly change my beliefs.

[wallcrawlr]

Are Young-Earth-Creationists fighting the wrong battle? I think so. The whole creation saga takes up about 2 pages in my 800-page Bible. It's more concerned with "who" rather than "how" or "when." If the "when" of creation were really such an important topic, then God would have devoted more time to it in his revelation to the prophets. God appears to be much more concerned with the present and with our eternal than in the past.

Revelation 4:11Intelligent Design
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[4CJ]

Forget the debate about the age of the earth because that's just getting in the way. Let's put things in perspective and stick to the important topic of how Jesus can change people's lives when they accept him as Lord and Saviour. People need to personally know Jesus, not listen to debates on how old the earth is.

Genesis being the foundation for the entire Bible, with Jesus acknowledging His part in creation, discrediting the Biblical account of creation means that God/Jesus are liars, that God is not a supernatural being, and that God doesn't know the meaning of the phrase 'evening and morning', and 'it was good'. Adam was created an adult, just as the universe was created 'with age'.

Those that prefer to believe that their existence is due to some chance is welcome to continue to do so, but I believe that God created us for a reason.

[JasonSC]

Out of all the potential stories about Christians out there -- murderous persecutions in China, enslavement of Christians in Africa, the role of Christians in the Katrina cleanup -- the Washington Post chose to write this one.

Hmmm...is it not true that the creationists are opening up another Flintstones museum?

The article is in the "Nation" section of the Post, anyway, so of course there won't be any stories from foreign countries.

[onedoug]

Gerald L Schroeder, The Science Of God

[xzins]

This doesn't have one thing to do with Intelligent Design.

[GregoTX]

Good article .... Thanks D Mike.

[flevit]

I will stick to your biblical reasons:

1. "very old" is subjective, you see what you "want" to see. 1000 years is very old. heck 100 years can be ancient history...I mean 9/11 seems to be ancient history.
2.YOM, is not a biblical reason. Yom can mean something like "Days of yore" but it can also mean "1 day" so in context with numbers (first,second, third) and coupled with "mornings" and "evenings" would biblically suggest just that a Day..(it actually has very similar usage to Day of English)

the Dawn of a new Day
vs.
the Dawn of the first Day.

3. read all of that section of 2 peter, it upholds noahs flood as global, it says scoffers won't believe the world was judged with water. it says they won't believe in the "second coming", that "a day is a thousand years" is in direct reference to the Lords patience..that the second coming not delayed, because the lord is slow, but because of his patience. it has nothing to do with words moses wrote a few thousand years earlier that through example God set the stage for a six days of work 1 day or rest...how many days in a week are there anyway?

you still have the problem of death before sin...what did Jesus die for...sin...why was the world created with sin in it??? it wasn't, Adam introduced sin...was Adam real?

could a "very good" world have the stench of rotting corpses, cancer and dismemberment of man and animals in it?

this argument will not provide Salvation, but it may be tough to TRUST in the Word that speaks of a literal resurrection, if it also speaks of Adam and Eve, death entering, vegetarianism, a flood that kills all land animals not on an ark. Which are not to be taken literal?

[LiteKeeper]

YEC INTREP

[Dinobot]

We need to devote our time to telling others what a relationship with Christ can do for their lives NOW and in their eternal future, not trying to convince them that the earth is 6,000 or 10,000 or 4.5 billion years old. Forget the debate about the age of the earth because that's just getting in the way. Let's put things in perspective and stick to the important topic of how Jesus can change people's lives when they accept him as Lord and Saviour. People need to personally know Jesus, not listen to debates on how old the earth is.

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Boy. what a wonderful insulated life you all have. Not one of you has probably worked with any secular scientist to understand the extent of the damage caused by your hostile antagonisms against the numerous disciplines that have anything to do with cosmology. Hack, hack, hack away--call them evil evolutionists. Impinge their character. Warn your kids not to take any of the evil sciences, especially anthropology or paleontology. Let a huge segment of scientific society go to hell---leave them no witness. Do you guys even police yourselves? What about the Kent Hovinds, the Carl Baughs, the Don Pattens, of Christian academia? These are the ones most vocal, and these are your representatives of creationism to everybody I work with. And what about me? Are my comments not even worth a reply? An active thread killed by a mystery man? Are my comments too compelling for you to even answer? Is this how you witness to professionals who are interested in joining a debate? To some one who longs for dialog with any Christian scientists? No comments on the fraud that is promoted by your own crationists? Not one word of warning to anyone reading these threads? Not even a word of warning about me? Just silence. So be it. I seem to remember a verse that says that in the last days men will seek teachers in accordance with their own desires, tickling their ears. Let me add another one: "Always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. Hummmmmm. Let's play ring around the issues. Lets dialog until someone comes with real meat. Then lets hope he goes away. We'll give him the silent treatment. Oh--maybe you are upset about my response to the 19 posts you sent after I exposed the Las Cruces human track as a hoax--one I dare say was promoted as fact on another thread in your forum. You guys mentioned my name. How do you think I found the forum in the first place? Oh I get it. No response but sarcasm and snippits. I wrote a careful and scientific comment to the Las Cruces "human track" at the end of that thread and not a word back. In fact, you answer the ones who continue to promote fraud, and hurl sarcastic barbs at the one exposing it.

I remember another verse--a smooth (lit. kind answer) turns away wrath. Even Solomon couldn't imagine someone getting no answer.

Well it worked. There are no ambassadors for Christ to be found on this thread. Apparently I, along with your hoaxters, are not even worthy of a rebuke. "Tell us a lie, you say, "and we will respond to you." Tell us that everything is great within creationist dogma. Tell us that thousands of scientists are okay being unchurched and unreached. Well, I don't share your lack of concern. I'll wotk alone with the Holy Spirit as my teacher. I'll be an ambassador for Christ. And when those evil evolutionists who know of my work and discoveries see the frauds presented, and not one rebuke, I'll just tell them the truth. They know me. They will listen to me.