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Shroud of Turin Conference Awash in Controversy and Criticism
Yahoo News ^ | Sept 20, 2005 | Dan Porter

Posted on 09/20/2005 6:41:37 AM PDT by shroudie

NEW YORK, NY., Sept. 20, 2005 -- According to a report published today on the Shroud Story website (http://www.shroudstory.com), a recent conference on the Shroud of Turin erupted in controversy over how the Papal Custodians of the Shroud were dealing with scientific evidence. The report is entitled, "An Enchilada Comes to Mind."

The conference, held from September 8 to 11, in the grand ballroom of the historic Adolphus Hotel in Dallas, Texas, was attended by about 100 archeologists, scientists and historians from around the world.

According to Daniel Porter, author of the report, conference organizers had wanted a positive discussion of the Shroud's possible authenticity. What they encountered instead was a barrage of criticism about a secret restoration of the cloth in 2002 and probing questions about why Turin officials summarily rejected chemical proof of failed carbon-14 dating.

According to the website report, most researchers at the conference, representing a broad spectrum of Catholic, Anglican (Episcopal), Protestant and Evangelical Christians, felt that the restoration was scientifically, archeologically and preservation-wise reckless. Moreover, they wanted to know why scientific evidence, published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, Thermochimica Acta, and independently verified by other scientists, was being ignored.

"John Paul II was clear when he said the church did not have specific competence to pronounce on scientific matters," said Porter. "He said the Church entrusts that task to scientists. And just last week, Turin's archbishop, Cardinal Poletto, reiterated that point. But Turin officials are ignoring microscopic, spectral and chemical analysis from multiple scientists. Instead they rely solely on the opinion of a non-scientist textile consultant. It doesn't make any sense."

In an attempt to minimize controversy, conference organizers decided to prohibit questions and comments from the floor. But the scientists attending the conference were not deterred by this tactic.

"You don't treat full professors and published scholars this way," said Porter.

In a presentation that had been billed as a tribute to the late Raymond Rogers, a chemist and Science Fellow of the Los Alamos National Laboratory who had studied the Shroud for many years, researcher Barrie Schwortz instead showed an interview with Rogers taped shortly before his death on March 8, 2005. In the interview, Rogers explained why the 1988 carbon-14 dating had been invalid because samples contained significant amounts of new material from discrete repairs to the cloth. He also offered a blistering criticism of the secretive restoration and explained why the cloth and the still-unexplained images of a crucified man may have been damaged in the process.

In a letter to the conferees, the Vatican Secretariat of State, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, wrote that His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI, "trusts that the Dallas Conference will advance cooperation and dialogue among various groups engaged in scientific research on the Shroud."

"Cooperation and dialog happened," said Porter, "but in startling ways that Turin had not expected."


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: shroudofturin
See http://www.shroudstory.com for more details.
1 posted on 09/20/2005 6:41:43 AM PDT by shroudie
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To: shroudie
Here is a better link: An Enchilada Comes to Mind Thanks, Dan
2 posted on 09/20/2005 6:48:07 AM PDT by shroudie (http://www.shroudstory.com)
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To: shroudie

It's a matter of faith. I don't think we'll ever have a conclusive answer, and I think God wanted it that way.

BTW, this is not unlike the challenge put to Doubting Thomas in the upper room... And when Jesus comes again, what proof will we have but our faith?


3 posted on 09/20/2005 7:08:20 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: shroudie
In the interview, Rogers explained why the 1988 carbon-14 dating had been invalid because samples contained significant amounts of new material from discrete repairs to the cloth. He also offered a blistering criticism of the secretive restoration and explained why the cloth and the still-unexplained images of a crucified man may have been damaged in the process.

This is staggering in it's implications. If the shroud could be "secretively restored" (read: constructed) all this time, possibly "damaging" (read: altering or creating) the images, IMO it's entire authenticity could be called into question.

4 posted on 09/20/2005 7:25:27 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: Alex Murphy

With all due respect to you, sir, the complete authenticity has been in doubt for some time. What is hoped for is some scientific validation.


5 posted on 09/20/2005 7:30:25 AM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: Alamo-Girl; Angelas; Bellflower; Buggman; HiTech RedNeck; Citizen Tom Paine; curmudgeonII; ...
Shroud of Turin PING!

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6 posted on 09/20/2005 8:47:23 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the ping!


7 posted on 09/20/2005 8:49:07 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Rutles4Ever

It is a matter of faith. And I do wonder if we'll have ever proof. But it there and therefore we should try to understand it and explain it as best we can.

Shroudie


8 posted on 09/20/2005 12:58:50 PM PDT by shroudie (http://www.shroudstory.com)
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To: shroudie

Do you know if the Man of the Shroud had a thin braid in back of his head ... I vaguely recall seeing such an image last year but cannot find it.


9 posted on 09/20/2005 1:40:35 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the ping...this is very interesting.


10 posted on 09/20/2005 2:44:20 PM PDT by Angelas
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To: NYer
Do you know if the Man of the Shroud had a thin braid in back of his head ... I vaguely recall seeing such an image last year but cannot find it.

The Man on the Shroud has an area of hair that seems (or gives evidence) to have been plaited and oiled, then unbraided...

11 posted on 09/20/2005 5:57:57 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: NYer
From Barrie Schworz's website's article: Autopsy on the Man on the Shroud

After an overall inspection and description of the body image, the pathologist continues his examination in a sequential fashion beginning with the head and progressing to the feet. He will note that the deceased had long hair, which on the posterior image appears to be fashioned into a pigtail or braid type configuration.

12 posted on 09/20/2005 6:09:52 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Swordmaker
He will note that the deceased had long hair, which on the posterior image appears to be fashioned into a pigtail or braid type configuration.

Thank you for the information and link! I was beginning to think this was the wild imaginings of a "shroud groupie". Still, I have this image of that plaited braid burned into my mind ... just don't know or understand why.

13 posted on 09/20/2005 7:23:54 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the update.


14 posted on 09/20/2005 7:38:53 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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