Posted on 09/17/2005 6:24:38 AM PDT by NYer
Sep. 15 (CWNews.com) - A bishop of the schismatic Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) has warned traditionalist Catholics the "heresy of neo-modernism" which, he says, now controls the Vatican.
In an email message to his supporters, Bishop Richard Williamson, an English-born prelate who now serves the SSPX in Argentina, said that there are enormous differences "between Catholic Tradition and the position's of today's Rome." He continued: "Between these positions, any reconciliation is impossible."
Bishop Williamson conceded that some traditionalists might accept an offer of reconciliation with the Vatican, but "the conciliar positions of today's Rome would still be as false as 2 and 2 are 5, while the Traditional positions would still be as true as 2 and 2 are 4."
The Lefebvrist bishop wrote his email message to explain why he had said-- prior to the September 1 meeting between Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) and Bishop Bernard Fellay, the head of the SSPX-- that traditionalists would not be reconciled with the Vatican. He explained that if some traditionalists were to reach an agreement with the Vatican, others would resist-- "that if the Society [of St. Pius X] were to rejoin Rome, the resistance of Catholic Tradition would carry on without it."
Bishop Williamson, the most outspoken figure in the SSPX, is one of the four bishops consecrated by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in June 1988, in defiance of an order from the Vatican, prompting Pope John Paul II (bio - news) to announce the excommunication of the traditionalist leaders.
Time will tell. I predict he will ultimately be seen as "great like Athanasius," or perhaps he will always be controversial like Savonarola. Burned at the stake by the Church, his cause for canonization is still being promoted by the Dominicans.
Oremus.
First thing: don't build "cities" under sea-level.
Since when has that ever stopped them? ;-)
Nothing stops them. Certainly not the truth. When any of us absolutely blows their so-called arguments out of the water (as happens all too often) they simply go on spouting out the garbage that they've been spouting all along.
They then sound sooo boring as they do their tired old rain dance one more time thinking anyone actually believes them or would be so dense as to fall for their garbage.
They are just lucky that the SSPX is fighting for truth and the restoration of the Church. Meanwhile they still won't accept the truth of Catholic teaching. Heck, they don't even know the definition of the Magisterium.
Defense of the indefensible. If you're going to stay here a while, you may as well get used to it.
You're obviously refering to USSCB. I rest my case.
No, the so-called "underground" Chinese Catholic Church sends some of its seminarians to seminaries under the control of the so-called "official" Chinese Catholic Church and allows CPA Bishops to ordain them.
"without Papal manadate"
I thought that was the reason Archbishop Lefebrve and the other bishops were declared excommunicated.
Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated for forming a schism by creating a counter-heirarchy against the entire structure of the Catholic Church.
The CPA is attempting to control the heirarchy of the Catholic Church in China, not to create a counter-heirarchy. Even today they have never forcibly deposed any of the Bishops in China, and there are still dioceses led by faithful Bishops without CPA interference.
The formation of the SSPX was approved, and even blessed, by Rome. It had one bishop, Msgr Lefebrve. What diocese was he and his priests assigned or restricted too.
Presumably he was either Bishop emeritus of his former diocese, or a titular of a non-existant desert See. I really don't know. His first priests were initially incardinated into their own dioceses, except for two men who were incardinated into the society.
What diocese are the Black Pope's Jesuits assigned or restricted to?
Whichever one they're granted faculties to operate in by the local ordinary and the Jesuit headmaster. Surely you are aware of the canons concerning how priests get authority to say mass, act as Pastors, hear confessions, preach, receive stipends, etc.?
I find your defense of CPA bishops very puzzling.
I find your lies puzzling. How is stating facts about the CPA defending them? What the CPA has done is bad, but it is not as bad as what the SSPX has done.
"So you reject the Word of Christ when He states that the gates of hell will not prevail aainst Holy Mother Church? Pity, that."
Ultimately not, but you must admit we are going through a terrible interregnum.
"SSPX confessions are invalid; so are their annulments; so are their marriages."
It is strange that Newchurch apologists now stress the importance of precise procedure for (old) sacraments where the SSPX are concerned. Have not confessions been downgraded and become some sort of 'communal washing' fest with sin excluded? Have not annulments been transformed into a thriving divorce industry?
"The same rationalizations by James Baradai produced the Jacobite schism in Syria and Egypt in the mid-6th century, with the concsecration of multiple Bishops-at-large to "preserve tradition" against "undue Roman influence", "modern (i.e. Chalcedonian) theology", etc."
Gosh, you must thumb through your ancient books frantically for models of precedence .... but then we are all slaves to precedence until it suits us not to be!. I thought the Jacobite rebellion was a Scottish event with a Catholic monarchy trying to replace a Protestant one. I am not sure which side Rome was on then.
Agreed. Why is it so many conservaatives want to quit once victory has happened. We got power and so we should splinter? For what it is worth, I think McCain will go mano-a-mano with Hilary in the next election and Hilary will win Massachusettes due to the insanity of the voters living there but McCain will win the 49 American States
I said the SSPX is antisemitic. I showed how it is in its official "teaching" capacity. It promotes the heresy the Jews are cursed as a race.
You agree with the SSPX. The Catholic Church teaches that the Jews are NOT a cursed race. The Catholic Church has NEVER taught the Jews are a cursed race. That makes the sspx and deluded supporters of it, like you, heretics.
Schism and antisemitism and hatred of the Pope; who says one cant have it all ...
<"Remember that if you cannot get to a true Catholic Mass celebrated by a good traditional priest, you should not attend the New Mass or the Indult Mass, and this even if it is the only traditional Mass available".>
Well, the New Mass could have naked nuns dancing around the altar while the priest (seated somewhere) is eyeing up the latest altar boy (girl). And the Indult Mass may be a dog's dinner with all kinds of titbits to suit the priest's newly acquired appetite for nostalgia and his bishop's insistence on it being garnished with modern references.
As an added disincentive, the indult mass in my diocese is offered at the church that the diocese houses all of the accused priests of various immoral acts.
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