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To: 1stFreedom
...and they have not led to an increase in attendance."

Quite the contrary. When I was attending the church (liberal) down the block, There would be 5-6 pews between you and the next person. Now that I attend the Latin mass on the other side of town, its shoulder to shoulder. Stunning when you consider that the church is in a bad neighborhood and most people need to drive quite a distance to attend mass.
8 posted on 07/27/2005 10:30:18 AM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: Mulch
Quite the contrary. When I was attending the church (liberal) down the block, There would be 5-6 pews between you and the next person. Now that I attend the Latin mass on the other side of town, its shoulder to shoulder. Stunning when you consider that the church is in a bad neighborhood and most people need to drive quite a distance to attend mass.

Thatonly says that people are switching churches, it doesn't mean that new or lapsed Catholics are coming back now that there is Latin Mass.

9 posted on 07/27/2005 10:33:57 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: Mulch

Yes, but there are many fewer Traditional Masses so they will have more people from all over the diocese.

In our diocese only one parish is allowed to have the Tridentine Mass - and only one per weekend. Of course that mass is packed because everyone in our diocese who wants to attend has to go there.


10 posted on 07/27/2005 10:34:06 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: Mulch

Dear Mulch,

"'...and they have not led to an increase in attendance.'

"Quite the contrary. When I was attending the church (liberal) down the block, There would be 5-6 pews between you and the next person. Now that I attend the Latin mass on the other side of town, its shoulder to shoulder."

Yes, but you're likely just drawing like-minded individuals from a number of geographical parish territories and getting them all in one place. In my own archdiocese, there are three Indult Masses each Sunday, one at 7:30 in the northern part of the archdiocese, one at 9 am in the middle of the city, and one at 11:00 in the southern counties of the archdiocese. Between the three Masses, pretty much everone in the entire archdiocese is within a 30 minute drive of an old rite Mass.

Only the 9 am (at a historical church that is very popular with vacationing "traditionalists") in the city is bursting at the seams. The others are reasonably-well attended, but nothing to shake a stick at.

Thus, every Sunday, with around 200,000 Catholics going to Mass in our archdiocese, there are perhaps as many as 1,000 or 1,500 going to an old rite Latin Mass.

It is difficult to reason that these three Masses have increased overall archdiocesan Mass attendance by any significant amount. I suspect most of these folks would just attend a Pauline rite Mass if they had no Indult Mass to attend. But even if every single one of them would not attend Mass without an Indult to go to, that's somewhere in the range of 0.5% - 0.75% of overall Mass attendance in the archdiocese.


sitetest


12 posted on 07/27/2005 10:40:48 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Mulch

>>Quite the contrary. When I was attending the church (liberal) down the block, There would be 5-6 pews between you and the next person. Now that I attend the Latin mass on the other side of town, its shoulder to shoulder.

You don't understand what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that traditionalists flock to these parishes from all over -- but the locals are still asleep in the pews. Attendance may have increased at "traditional" parishes -- but that only means there is a decrease at the traveling attendee's own home parishes.

TLM *have not* raised attendance at Mass.

>>Stunning when you consider that the church is in a bad neighborhood and most people need to drive quite a distance to attend mass.

Not stunning at all. See above


20 posted on 07/27/2005 12:04:54 PM PDT by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: Mulch; 1stFreedom
Current news stories go both ways -- but mostly increasing:

Catholic Parishes Flourish in Southern U.S.

Bible-belt Catholics

Number of Catholics Rises by 15 Million (Diocesan Priests Increase; Religious Decrease)

Spanish Catholicism still very robust (3 shrines and The Sagrada Familia)

Catholics outsource praying to India

Catholic Priests in India 'Outsourced' to Meet Clergy Shortage in West

Christian Coalition head (in Ala.) becomes Catholic

Church growth continues for Catholic and Pentecostals; six mainline denominations decline

Young people turn against their parents' 'church lite'

Pope calls US Church to repentance and renewal

A father for the 11th time - Widower becomes Catholic priest

Number of Adults Who Don't Attend Church Service Doubles

Huge Christian growth shocks China's leaders

Church Attendance Increased : Protestants have now clearly overtaken Catholics in church attendance

Catholics Trail Protestants in Church Attendance [Gallup]

Church Attendance Linked to Longer Life

Church Growth and Eveangelism

Dozens of Episcopalians Follow Leader into Catholic Church

Thousands prepare to join U.S. Catholic Church this Easter

Where Have All the People in the Pews Gone?

More Than 150,000 People to Join Catholic Church Holy Saturday

Spirituality on the rise on college campuses

Analysis: Rome up, Protestantism down?

Benedict's Logic: A Church Contracting & Expanding Simultaneously

CHRISTIANITY EXPLODING WORLDWIDE; 3RD WORLD SENDING MISSIONARIES [V ENCOURAGING DOC]

Christianity taking over the planet?

Local pews straining to hold increasing Catholic population

Catholic Church is losing sway in Europe (Opinion from Ireland)

Has the Catholic Church given up the Ghost?

Statistics Reveal Africa Is (Catholic) Church's New Hope

Chicago Ordains Largest Class of Priests in a Decade

Foreign priests want to fill a need- if Americans let them

Reviving a dream: Big hopes of little congregation growing for Orthodox church

Ancient rhythm: Converts to Orthodoxy growing in America

Catholic Church Prepares for Cold War With Evangelists

IS THE CHURCH LIKELY TO SHRINK--AND SHOULD IT?

Church Attendance in Germany Experiences Huge Growth after Pope Benedict Elected

Pope Says Churches In the West Look To Be Dying

26 posted on 07/27/2005 12:40:17 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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