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Gene Edward Veith: "Liberal conservatives"
Prydain ^ | 7/16/2005 | Will

Posted on 07/16/2005 7:46:58 AM PDT by sionnsar

From WORLD magazine, Gene Edward Veith has an essay, Liberal conservatives, that may indeed describe part of a problem many evangelicals face: they are conservative everywhere but at church. As Veith writes:

Todd Wilken, the Lutheran talk-show host, has identified another kind of liberal conservative. In an article titled "Bible-believing Liberals" in Issues, Etc. Journal, he observes that many Christians are conservative politically, economically, culturally, and in every other way except one: They are liberal/progressives when it comes to church.

"While they believe that the culture needs to return to its historic traditions, they think the church needs to abandon hers," Mr. Wilken writes. "While they believe men and women have defined roles in marriage and family, they don't see why a woman can't replace a man in the pulpit. . . . They want the Ten Commandments in the public square, but are unconcerned when those commandments are replaced with ‘principles for living' from the pulpit. To the Bible-believing liberal, ceremonies of a presidential inauguration are meaningful and inspiring, but the Sunday morning liturgy is boring. For the Bible-believing liberal, the differences between political parties are serious, but the differences between Christian denominations are petty. While they insist on a strict literal interpretation of the U.S. Constitution, they play fast and loose with the Bible and its theology, even while maintaining its inerrancy and inspiration. These are the Bible-believing liberals."

In other words, many Christians reject the dogmas of progressivism—the old is bad, what's new is good, we should change along with the cultural trends—in the culture wars, while embracing them in church.
I think he is right about this, and it may explain some of what has happened in Anglicanism.


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: christians; lcms; lutheran; veith; wilken

1 posted on 07/16/2005 7:46:58 AM PDT by sionnsar
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2 posted on 07/16/2005 7:47:22 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Kyoto: Split Atoms, not Wood)
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To: sionnsar
Liberalism is slowly but surely eroding the Protestant Church...is it no surprise the wolf has already found himself a pew?
3 posted on 07/16/2005 7:51:18 AM PDT by T Lady (The American Left: Useful Idiots for Terrorist Regimes)
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To: sionnsar; Cletus.D.Yokel; squirt; redgolum; TonyRo76
I highly recommend the work of Todd Wilken of the excellent Issues Etc. radio/Internet program (kfuo.org/ie_main.htm and issuesetc.org) and Gene Edward Veith of WORLD magazine and the Cranach Institute.

Both are fellow Missouri Synod Lutherans--and, in the interest of disclosure I suppose, I happen to know both of the gentlemen.

4 posted on 07/16/2005 8:02:39 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (LCMS pastor)
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To: T Lady

I think we should be aware that outright atheists are moving into the churches as well. Yesterday two of Michael Medveds guests were atheists who attend a Lutheran church.

They never gave a real reason for attending church but I don't think their reasons are honorable. If I were to hazard a guess I would say that they intend to destroy from within.

The recent story of child molestation at a Baptist church in Louisiana uncovered satanists within the church.


5 posted on 07/16/2005 8:04:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If a democrats lips are moving, they're lying.)
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To: cripplecreek
These are the type of things that happen when Pastors and Bishops stop preaching the true Word and try to appeal to the masses. Too many of these Under shepherds have allowed the MSM to intimidate and manipulate their messages for fear of having a reputation for being bigoted and intolerant.

This has got to stop.
6 posted on 07/16/2005 8:10:27 AM PDT by T Lady (The American Left: Useful Idiots for Terrorist Regimes)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Thanks!


7 posted on 07/16/2005 8:31:20 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Kyoto: Split Atoms, not Wood)
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To: sionnsar

Click here for the article from World Magazine:

Liberal conservatives: Many evangelicals are liberal when it comes to the church
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1438970/posts


8 posted on 07/16/2005 9:12:27 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Charles Henrickson

Thank you pastor, I will have to check the links out.


9 posted on 07/16/2005 12:31:08 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: T Lady

Depends on the church body. "Mainstream" Protestant churches are resorting to attracting would-be members in with entertainment and Hollywood hooks, not the Gospel. The hope is that if you get people inside the church building, that somehow, some way, they'll be saved without ever hearing the Word.


10 posted on 07/16/2005 5:20:27 PM PDT by Das Outsider
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To: Charles Henrickson

Thanks, Pastor.


11 posted on 07/16/2005 5:53:40 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Das Outsider

Bttt.


12 posted on 07/16/2005 7:05:26 PM PDT by T Lady (The American Left: Useful Idiots for Terrorist Regimes)
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To: Charles Henrickson

I distributed (locally) the Wilkin essay the same day I received it. He has nailed the issue. Now if he would just call it by its proper name..."neo-pietism".

My disclosure: I know, and have harmonized with, Pastor Henrickson in SanLooee (although he may not have called it "harmony").


13 posted on 07/19/2005 7:36:27 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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