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The American Dollar Bill

Posted on 06/05/2005 6:11:53 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus

I'm sure that many of you have now read "Angels & Demons". It answered for me (a Canadian) a question I'd always had about the American dollar bill ... "what in hell is that pyramid with the big eyeball on it on the back of the bill ???"

It's a Masonic symbol.

But the questions STILL remain:

1/Why do Americans have a Masonic symbol on their currency? Do most Americans even have a clue what the Masons stand for?

2/ How do Americans reconcile themselves with the two contradictory messages on the back of the bill: Novus Ordo Seclorum (New Secular Order) and In God We Trust?

Anyone with answers out there?


TOPICS: Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: cnim; freemasonry; ingodwetrust; masons
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To: RedwineisJesus
http://www.cuttingedge.org/ce1046.html
81 posted on 06/07/2005 2:08:02 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Piers-the-Ploughman

Interesting.


82 posted on 06/07/2005 3:21:55 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: newsgatherer

"""A canadian calling us in the US ignorant? Now that is the pot calling the kettle black."""

LOLOLOL!

Well the reality is that the Canadian & the American culture are prety damned indistinguishable. If you took an Average Joe from a Canadian larger city & one from a larger American city...not a human on earth could tell them apart...apart from a few linguistic "aboots" on our side & a few "hunhs" on your side.

But both of our countries have our goobers. And I'll pit my goober against your goober any day.

The Canadian goober has an inferiority complex because he lives in a tiny irrelevant nation...right upside of the superpower of the world. So he tries a little. He reads his papers & has an interest in the rest of the little pathetic nations of the world.

But your basic American goober is not a pretty sight. He figures he's an American & thus excused from needing to exhibit any intelligence..he owns the world...burp.

N'est pas? ( Oops forgot...your goobers don't need to learn any other language but English...they're Amuricans by god & everyone else speaks funny.)


83 posted on 06/07/2005 8:30:17 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: Titanites

"""Do the Canucks still have the queen's portrait on their currency?"""

But of course ... who else?


84 posted on 06/07/2005 8:40:27 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: RedwineisJesus
How do Americans reconcile themselves with the two contradictory messages on the back of the bill: Novus Ordo Seclorum (New Secular Order) and In God We Trust?

Your translation of 'Novus Ordo Seclorum' is incorrect, which has led you astray.

I had the pleasure (???) of studying Latin for four years at Regis High School in NYC (and my guess is you don't have any background in Latin at all), and the slogan you cite is accurately translated as "A new order of the ages."

Novus: New

Ordo: Order

Seclorum: age, generation (Plural form)

(I knew that old latin-english dictionary would come in handy!)

Anyway, the two ideas "A New Order of The Ages" and "In God We Trust" are not inconsistent at all.

PS - Regis HS doesn't require at least 3 years of Latin anymore. A shame!

85 posted on 06/07/2005 8:51:36 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Bella_Bru
The U.S. is not under the thumb of "The Church".

Ignoring the silly false dichotomy you've set up here (Science vs. the controlling thumb of "The (Catholic) Church".) you'll see where a secular society will get us, and is getting us.

I'd much rather have a Catholic or even a Jewish state than a pseudo-Christian secular state.
86 posted on 06/08/2005 4:51:45 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: RedwineisJesus

Check this out, these were created by an x mason 33rd degree.
http://www.prophecyclub.com/bookstore/?strQuery=masons


87 posted on 06/08/2005 5:36:30 AM PDT by Rhadaghast
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To: HitmanNY

"""Novus: New"""

I knew that! (if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck ... it's a duck.)

"""Ordo: Order"""

I knew that! (If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck ... it's a duck.)

"""Seclorum: age, generation (Plural form)"""

I didn't know that! And neither did Dan Brown it seems, the man who is known for his serious & accurate research and who transelated it as "secular" in his book "Angels and Demons".

I'm REALLY sorry HitmanNY but until you provide me with a dictionary that says that the word "seclorum" means what you say it means I'll stick with Dan Brown's translation.

Thanks in advance!


88 posted on 06/08/2005 8:58:36 AM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: Conservative til I die
I'd much rather have a Catholic or even a Jewish state than a pseudo-Christian secular state.

      Each to his own.  Personally, I believe I could handle a Jewish state, but I have no plans to move to Israel, and I don't believe Israel has any plans to expand to the New World.  On the other hand I would not live in a state subservient to Rome or any other church.
      My first choice is a state in which the laws are made by Christians elected by Christians.

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty ... of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.
John Jay, first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, 1816

89 posted on 06/08/2005 9:53:06 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Bella_Bru

"""They won't invite you in ..."""

How about those Ismaili Muslims? The Aga Khan will be in Vancouver, BC, (Canada) tomorow where he will be hosting a "closed-door spiritual event" which means that my Christian ass is not invited.

I just came back from a Hawaiian holiday so I'm as brown as a berry ... I think I'll go down & crash the event. Tell them I'm Ismaili ... how can they prove I'm not?

If they ask for the secret handshake ... I've got them. I'll blow the cover off their clandestine organization & call the press in.

Hell ... the Pope lets anyone come & see him do wheelies in his Popemobil.


90 posted on 06/09/2005 2:27:17 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: RedwineisJesus
From Merriam Websters:

One entry found for novus ordo seclorum.
Main Entry: novus or·do se·clo·rum
Pronunciation: -'or-"dO-sA-'klOr-um
Usage: foreign term
Etymology: Latin
: a new cycle of the ages -- motto on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States

Though I am sure your local John Birch Society has told you that MW is run by the Illuminati.

91 posted on 06/10/2005 11:25:26 AM PDT by Bella_Bru (In Mercuristan, such questions are not tolerated.)
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To: Bella_Bru

You know, Bell ami, the word "seclorum" must be the only high profile word in the entire world that one can't find in any dictionary.

Those Masons are clever rascals is what I think. VERY clever!

I just came back from my daily endurance run. While zooming by all of the other joggers I couldn't help but notice the word "FCUK" printed on the front of one of the female runners' T-shirt. Any idea what it means? Or is it just another mischievous prank?


92 posted on 06/10/2005 2:41:50 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: Bella_Bru; Arguss; Old Sarge; HitmanNY; highball; gbcdoj; xachthegreat

Come to think of it ... who CARES what the slogan "Novus Ordo Seclorum" means.

But the fact, that a Masonic symbol on one side of the bill and "In God we trust" on the other side clashes (just as a picture of Benedict XVI and a "Womans right to choose" would) remains.


93 posted on 06/11/2005 12:35:56 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: Bella_Bru

"""If they ask for the secret handshake ... I've got them. I'll blow the cover off their clandestine organization & call the press in."""

Well, I tried!

In today's paper it reads:

"A volunteer female Ismaili security guard physically escorted a reporter away from the entrance gate."

Who could that be, I wonder?


94 posted on 06/11/2005 12:55:02 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: RedwineisJesus
I didn't know that! And neither did Dan Brown it seems, the man who is known for his serious & accurate research and who transelated it as "secular" in his book

Please tell me that you're kidding about Brown's "serious & accurate research". Here's a hint for you. The Minor Doxology, used by Christians since the second century AD, is "Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and always, in all ages of ages. Amen." What's that in Latin? GLORIA Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen. Now I think that those Christians who spoke Latin natively knew a bit more about "saeculum" then Dan Brown.

95 posted on 06/11/2005 1:10:39 PM PDT by gbcdoj (For if thou wilt now hold thy peace, the Jews shall be delivered by some other occasion)
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To: RedwineisJesus
But the fact, that a Masonic symbol on one side of the bill and "In God we trust" on the other side clashes
http://www.answers.com/topic/eye-of-providence

17th-century depictions of the Eye of Providence sometimes show it surrounded by clouds. The later addition of an enclosing triangle is usually seen as a more explicit trinitarian reference to the God of Christianity. ... It is a common misconception that the Eye of Providence and unfinished pyramid show the influence of Freemasonry in the founding of the United States. Although Benjamin Franklin, one of the members of the original design committee for the Great Seal, was a Freemason, it appears that he was not responsible for introducing the symbol, and may not even have been aware of it.

On a side note, the Masons believed in God (deism) at the time. Look at Ben Franklin's rewriting of the "Our Father". So "in God we trust" wouldn't clash even if that was a masonic symbol.

96 posted on 06/11/2005 1:19:33 PM PDT by gbcdoj (For if thou wilt now hold thy peace, the Jews shall be delivered by some other occasion)
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To: gbcdoj

The word on the dollar bill is "seclorum".

Now I know it sort of looks like the word saeculorum, but the word "paper" sort of looks like the word "pauper".

That isn't exactly a trusty translation method.

I'll stick to Dan Brown thanks.


97 posted on 06/11/2005 1:31:20 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: RedwineisJesus; highball
Nope don't know a whole lot about the Masons...that's the point. Not many people outside of the group do...maybe we all should find out.

No offense, friend, but I think the time to find out more about the Masons is before sounding the alarm about possible Mason control of the country, or whatever we're supposed to infer from the symbols on the back of a dollar bill.

In the beginning of the Republic, the Masons did constitute an "Old Boy's Club" with an inordinate amount of political influence but the anti-Masonic backlash of the 1820's put an end to that.

The Anti-Masonic Party

98 posted on 06/11/2005 1:42:51 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: RedwineisJesus
The word on the dollar bill is "seclorum".

Yes, which is a late Latin spelling of the word, as you would know if you had read the Latin dictionary I linked you to earlier.

saeculum (poet., esp. Lucretian, sae-clum ; less correctly seculum, se-clum ), i, n. dim. [etym. dub.; perh. root si- = sa-; Gr. saô, to sift; Lat. sero, satus; whence Saturnus, etc.; hence, orig.]

I'll stick to Dan Brown thanks.

The same Dan Brown who thinks that Christ's divinity was invented by the Council of Nicaea (debunked here)? I'll pass on his "research", thank you.

99 posted on 06/11/2005 2:26:52 PM PDT by gbcdoj (For if thou wilt now hold thy peace, the Jews shall be delivered by some other occasion)
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To: RedwineisJesus
the Latin dictionary I linked you to earlier

FR corrupts the link, strange. Well, go to here and put "seclorum" in - you'll get the dictionary entry.

100 posted on 06/11/2005 2:29:31 PM PDT by gbcdoj (For if thou wilt now hold thy peace, the Jews shall be delivered by some other occasion)
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