Posted on 06/05/2005 6:11:53 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
Interesting.
"""A canadian calling us in the US ignorant? Now that is the pot calling the kettle black."""
LOLOLOL!
Well the reality is that the Canadian & the American culture are prety damned indistinguishable. If you took an Average Joe from a Canadian larger city & one from a larger American city...not a human on earth could tell them apart...apart from a few linguistic "aboots" on our side & a few "hunhs" on your side.
But both of our countries have our goobers. And I'll pit my goober against your goober any day.
The Canadian goober has an inferiority complex because he lives in a tiny irrelevant nation...right upside of the superpower of the world. So he tries a little. He reads his papers & has an interest in the rest of the little pathetic nations of the world.
But your basic American goober is not a pretty sight. He figures he's an American & thus excused from needing to exhibit any intelligence..he owns the world...burp.
N'est pas? ( Oops forgot...your goobers don't need to learn any other language but English...they're Amuricans by god & everyone else speaks funny.)
"""Do the Canucks still have the queen's portrait on their currency?"""
But of course ... who else?
Your translation of 'Novus Ordo Seclorum' is incorrect, which has led you astray.
I had the pleasure (???) of studying Latin for four years at Regis High School in NYC (and my guess is you don't have any background in Latin at all), and the slogan you cite is accurately translated as "A new order of the ages."
Novus: New
Ordo: Order
Seclorum: age, generation (Plural form)
(I knew that old latin-english dictionary would come in handy!)
Anyway, the two ideas "A New Order of The Ages" and "In God We Trust" are not inconsistent at all.
PS - Regis HS doesn't require at least 3 years of Latin anymore. A shame!
Check this out, these were created by an x mason 33rd degree.
http://www.prophecyclub.com/bookstore/?strQuery=masons
"""Novus: New"""
I knew that! (if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck ... it's a duck.)
"""Ordo: Order"""
I knew that! (If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck ... it's a duck.)
"""Seclorum: age, generation (Plural form)"""
I didn't know that! And neither did Dan Brown it seems, the man who is known for his serious & accurate research and who transelated it as "secular" in his book "Angels and Demons".
I'm REALLY sorry HitmanNY but until you provide me with a dictionary that says that the word "seclorum" means what you say it means I'll stick with Dan Brown's translation.
Thanks in advance!
"""They won't invite you in ..."""
How about those Ismaili Muslims? The Aga Khan will be in Vancouver, BC, (Canada) tomorow where he will be hosting a "closed-door spiritual event" which means that my Christian ass is not invited.
I just came back from a Hawaiian holiday so I'm as brown as a berry ... I think I'll go down & crash the event. Tell them I'm Ismaili ... how can they prove I'm not?
If they ask for the secret handshake ... I've got them. I'll blow the cover off their clandestine organization & call the press in.
Hell ... the Pope lets anyone come & see him do wheelies in his Popemobil.
One entry found for novus ordo seclorum.
Main Entry: novus or·do se·clo·rum
Pronunciation: -'or-"dO-sA-'klOr-um
Usage: foreign term
Etymology: Latin
: a new cycle of the ages -- motto on the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States
Though I am sure your local John Birch Society has told you that MW is run by the Illuminati.
You know, Bell ami, the word "seclorum" must be the only high profile word in the entire world that one can't find in any dictionary.
Those Masons are clever rascals is what I think. VERY clever!
I just came back from my daily endurance run. While zooming by all of the other joggers I couldn't help but notice the word "FCUK" printed on the front of one of the female runners' T-shirt. Any idea what it means? Or is it just another mischievous prank?
Come to think of it ... who CARES what the slogan "Novus Ordo Seclorum" means.
But the fact, that a Masonic symbol on one side of the bill and "In God we trust" on the other side clashes (just as a picture of Benedict XVI and a "Womans right to choose" would) remains.
"""If they ask for the secret handshake ... I've got them. I'll blow the cover off their clandestine organization & call the press in."""
Well, I tried!
In today's paper it reads:
"A volunteer female Ismaili security guard physically escorted a reporter away from the entrance gate."
Who could that be, I wonder?
Please tell me that you're kidding about Brown's "serious & accurate research". Here's a hint for you. The Minor Doxology, used by Christians since the second century AD, is "Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and always, in all ages of ages. Amen." What's that in Latin? GLORIA Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen. Now I think that those Christians who spoke Latin natively knew a bit more about "saeculum" then Dan Brown.
http://www.answers.com/topic/eye-of-providence17th-century depictions of the Eye of Providence sometimes show it surrounded by clouds. The later addition of an enclosing triangle is usually seen as a more explicit trinitarian reference to the God of Christianity. ... It is a common misconception that the Eye of Providence and unfinished pyramid show the influence of Freemasonry in the founding of the United States. Although Benjamin Franklin, one of the members of the original design committee for the Great Seal, was a Freemason, it appears that he was not responsible for introducing the symbol, and may not even have been aware of it.
On a side note, the Masons believed in God (deism) at the time. Look at Ben Franklin's rewriting of the "Our Father". So "in God we trust" wouldn't clash even if that was a masonic symbol.
The word on the dollar bill is "seclorum".
Now I know it sort of looks like the word saeculorum, but the word "paper" sort of looks like the word "pauper".
That isn't exactly a trusty translation method.
I'll stick to Dan Brown thanks.
No offense, friend, but I think the time to find out more about the Masons is before sounding the alarm about possible Mason control of the country, or whatever we're supposed to infer from the symbols on the back of a dollar bill.
In the beginning of the Republic, the Masons did constitute an "Old Boy's Club" with an inordinate amount of political influence but the anti-Masonic backlash of the 1820's put an end to that.
Yes, which is a late Latin spelling of the word, as you would know if you had read the Latin dictionary I linked you to earlier.
saeculum (poet., esp. Lucretian, sae-clum ; less correctly seculum, se-clum ), i, n. dim. [etym. dub.; perh. root si- = sa-; Gr. saô, to sift; Lat. sero, satus; whence Saturnus, etc.; hence, orig.]
I'll stick to Dan Brown thanks.
The same Dan Brown who thinks that Christ's divinity was invented by the Council of Nicaea (debunked here)? I'll pass on his "research", thank you.
FR corrupts the link, strange. Well, go to here and put "seclorum" in - you'll get the dictionary entry.
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