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The Fad-Driven Church
The Plumbline ^ | Todd Wilken

Posted on 05/16/2005 11:09:49 AM PDT by Gamecock

. . . The dictionary defines a fad as "a practice or interest followed for a time with exaggerated zeal." This could just as well be a description of congregational life of many Christian churches today.

There is a new book, a new program or a new emphasis every year or so. It's all anyone can talk about; it's all the preacher preaches about - for a while. Then, as quickly as it came, it's gone. As eagerly as it was received, it's abandoned and forgotten.

Welcome to the Fad-Driven church.

At first this might not sound like a problem. Some Christians can remember when the Church didn't jump from bandwagon to bandwagon every year or two. But for others, this is all they have ever known. For them, it is hard to imagine what the Church would be like without the constant ebb and flow of church fads. For them, the long list of church fads represents their personal history as a Christian: Spiritual Gift inventories, Spiritual Warfare, Promise Keepers, Weigh Down Workshop, The Prayer of Jabez, the Left Behind Series, Becoming a Contagious Christian, a long succession of evangelism and stewardship programs, and most recently, The Purpose-Driven Life and 40 Days of Purpose. There are many Christians for whom this list (give or take one or two) is Christianity. Some church fads come and go, some come and stay. A few are genuinely harmless; most contain serious theological error. All are popular - while they last. In the fad-driven-church, "exaggerated zeal” has replaced "the faith once for all delivered to the saints." l

In the course of hosting Issues, Etc., I've examined most if not all of the recent church fads. I am always surprised - not by the fads themselves, but by something else.. I am always surprised by how uncritically churches accept a fad, how enthusiastically churches embrace a fad and how carelessly churches abandon a fad. That is why this article isn't about the fads themselves, but about the kind of churches that accept, embrace and abandon fads.

The Life Cycle of a Church Fad

Every fad has a life cycle. The fad is first accepted, then embraced and finally abandoned. For the fad-driven church, this life cycle is a way life.

The cycle begins with acceptance. The fad-driven church is practiced at this. Too close an examination of the fad at the outset might raise too many questions. "After all, this book is a best-seller!" "Thousands of churches are doing it, how can we go wrong?" Accept first, examine later, if at all. This acceptance may come through the pastor's active promotion or through grassroots popularity. Either way, the fad spreads like wildfire in the congregation.

The cycle continues with enthusiastic embrace. By "enthusiastic" I don't mean excitement or emotion, although those things may be involved. What I mean is that the fad-driven church embraces its latest fad with creedal intensity. While the fad has currency, it is an article of faith. Belief in the fad becomes a mark of loyalty to the church. During this phase of the fad's life cycle, critics of the fad may be dismissed as unloving, judgmental or unconcerned for saving souls. At the very least, they are viewed as troublemakers and obstacles to the church's mission. During this phase, in some cases, the fad may dictate what is preached, the content of bible study or even the focus of congregational life.

The life cycle ends with the abandonment of the fad. Some fads have a built-in expiration date... most simply linger until something better comes along. The fad-driven church may cling with a martyr's fervor to the fad while it lasts, but everyone knows that its days are numbered. Sooner or later it will have to be abandoned. Accept the fad, embrace the fad and abandon the fad: This is the life of a fad-driven church. There are exceptions to this life cyc1e. In a few cases a fad doesn't die; it grows into something bigger than a fad. It grows into a movement... I have often been critical of church fads at the height of their popularity. After several encounters with fad defenders, I noticed something. The seasoned member of the fad-driven church will defend his fad today. But he will happily abandon the same fad six months from now. I realized that the fad itself is inconsequential; everyone knows that it will be forgotten sooner or later. Christians caught in the cycle of church fads must defend a particular fad, because by doing so, they are defending their willingness to accept, embrace and abandon fads in general. They are defending their fad-driven-ness.

A Lack of Discernment

The need of discernment in the Church is one of the most frequent admonitions in Scripture.2 Paul's warning to the Ephesians is typical:

We are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves, and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming, but speaking the truth in love we are to grow up in all aspects unto Him, who is the head, even Christ.3

The church is supposed to stand immovable against "every wind of doctrine." By contrast the fad-driven church is a windsock. If you want to know which way the wind is blowing, the latest teachings, the newest programs or the most current methods, just look at the fad-driven church, If you want to know what the fad-driven church will be doing next, just walk through your local Christian bookstore or page through a Christian publisher's catalogue.

In the fad-driven church, books, programs and seminars are evaluated primarily by their sales, popularity and attendance record rather than on their theological merit. "False teaching? Why would so many churches be reading this book if it contained false teaching?”…Can millions of Christians be wrong? Yes, they can.

Ironically, the fad-driven church often excuses its lack of discernment in the name of saving souls. It justifies its appetite for fads in the name of evangelism. "Whatever it takes" is the creed of the fad-driven church. "Whatever it takes to reach the lost" is supposed to be a courageous new strategy for evangelism. But "Whatever it takes" is not a strategy. "Whatever it takes" is an admission that you have no strategy. Sinners aren't saved by "whatever." Sinners are saved by what Jesus did at the Cross. "Whatever it takes" is just another way of saying, "Whatever people want," or "Whatever everyone else is doing." Rather than seeking the lost, the fad-driven church is just seeking its next fix.

Some advocates of church fads take the "Eat the meat, spit out the bones" approach to false teaching. They claim that practicing discernment means spitting the "bones" of error while eating the "meat" of truth. There are several problems with this approach. First, it assumes that a church fad contains only isolated false teachings, like so many bones in a fish. But many church fads don't just contain false teaching; they are based on false teaching... Second, the "bone spitting" approach assumes that the errors of the latest church fad will be obvious to everyone. Often they are not. In the 2nd century, Irenaeus battled the fad of Gnosticism. He observed:

Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as, by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced (ridiculous as the expression may seem) more true than the truth itself.4

The "inexperienced" are still infants in the faith. Would you give an infant a fish to eat knowing that there were bones in it?

Finally, the "bone spitting" approach fails to recognize that a continuous stream of fads will erode the church's ability to discern truth from error. With every new fad, the fad-driven church grows less able to recognize the truth. In time, the fad-driven church is unable to discern the true Gospel. Paul found this to be the case among the Corinthians:

If one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received or a different gospel which you have not accepted; you hear this beautifully.5

This is the bottom line. A church willing to tolerate some false teaching will eventually tolerate any false teaching - even a false gospel, a false spirit and a false Jesus. For this reason, when it comes to: false teaching, Scripture's command isn't to "bone-spit," but to avoid it altogether.6

Desperation

...Os Guinness has written recently about the "idol of relevance" and accurately described the mentality of the fad-driven church:

And of course, whatever is next must be a great deal better still... The past is beside the point, outdated, reactionary, and stagnant. In a word that is today's supreme term of dismissal, the past is irrelevant, Everything Christian from worship to evangelism must be fresh, new, up-to-date, attuned, appealing, seeker- sensitive, audience-friendly, and relentlessly relevant... ."All new," "must-read; "the sequel that is more than equal” - the mentality is rampant and the effect is corrosive.7

Rather than making the church more relevant, this mentality only makes the fad-driven church more susceptible to fads and more desperate;

Relevance without truth encourages what Nietzsche called the "herd" mentality and Kierkegaard "age of the crowd. "Further compounded by accelerated change, which itself is compounded by the fashion-driven dictates of consumerism, relevance becomes overheated and vaporizes into trendiness.8

Guinness' final observation is an uncanny paraphrase of Jeremiah's lament:

Feverishness is the condition of an institution that has ceased to be faithful to its origins. It is then caught up in "a restless, cosmopolitan hunting after new and ever newer things.”9

They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters, to hew for themselves cisterns, broken cisterns that can hold no water [Jeremiah 2:11-13]. This explains the short life span of so many church fads. It is the result of desperation. The fad-driven church's new cisterns are broken. They can't hold water. Even while the last drops drain from the old cistern, the fad- driven church must desperately dig a new one. But the new cistern is as leaky as the old one, so the digging must go on.

Nothing to Offer; Nothing to Say

William Inge said, "Whoever marries the spirit of this age will find himself a widower in the next.” Take away the fads, and what of the Church is left in the fad-driven church? In some cases, what's left isn't the church at all, but a collection of principles, practices and ideas that don't add up to anything resembling the Christian faith. Rather than "the pattern of sound words"10 there are only the remnants of past fads.

In the name of saving the lost, the fad-driven is trading the saving message of the Gospel for the newest gimmick. If such a church does reach the lost, will it have anything to say that can save them? ... Will the fad-driven church give Christians Jesus or Jabez, lasting forgiveness or the latest fashion?

And for the member of the fad-driven church who has known nothing but fads, will these fads leave her a Christian on her deathbed (or will she be left wondering what that whirlwind of best-sellers, seminars, video sermons and three-ring binders was all about?)

The church that wraps its identity and mission around the evanescent desires of finicky consumers, will run the risk of creating a church as ephemeral as those desires.11 Will the fad-driven church remain the Church? In its “exaggerated zeal for all things new, will it hold fast to the unchanging message of the Cross?”

Fad or Faith

We live in an age of pious distractions. We live in an age of church fads. The fad-driven church has structured its life around the trends and innovations of the day. Christian publishers and the mega-church gurus are ready to provide something new as often as the masses demand it. But St. Paul encourages and warns the Church:

In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead; and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage - with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.12

The Church has something better than any fad. The time has come. Ears are itching. Ears are turning. The Church must take up Paul's charge. Now more than ever the Church must preach the Word and ignore the fads.

Many in the fad-driven church believe that preaching the Word is impractical: "If just preaching the Word worked, people would be lining up at the door." Others in the fad- driven church believe that preaching the Word is outdated: "It may have worked 50 years ago, but not today." Others believe that preaching the word is just too simple, Rick Warren has said as much,

We've all heard speakers claim, "If you'll pray more, preach the word; and be dedicated; then your church will grow." Well, that's just not true. I can show you thousands of churches where pastors are doctrinally sound; they love the Lord; they're committed and spirit-filled and yet their churches are dying on the vine.13

This is nonsense. How can a church that is preaching the Word, of God be "dying on the vine?" Paul tells the Church to preach the Word not because it is the most practical way, or the most current way, or the simplest way. Paul tells us to preach the Word because it is the only way. For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God. God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for signs, and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified; to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.14

G.K. Chesterton said, "The Church always seems to be behind the times, when it is really beyond the times; it is waiting till the last fad shall have seen its last summer. It keeps the key of a permanent virtue." That key is the Gospel, the message of the forgiveness of sins purchased at the Cross, with the blood of Jesus.

That key is the Gospel proclaimed to every sinner every Sunday... Yes, this Gospel is popularly believed to be impractical, outdated, and simplistic. But it isn't. Rather, this Gospel is "power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes. 15

Without this Gospel, the Church is at the mercy of every new fad. However, with this Gospel, the Church really is beyond the times.

As I write this, my 12 year-old daughter is convinced that hip-hugger bell-bottoms are the greatest idea in fashion history. I don't have the heart to tell her that I used to think so too. She thinks her father looks old-fashioned and lacks all sense of style. I don't have the heart to tell her that I look back at pictures of my bell- bottom days and laugh. I don't have the heart to tell her that someday she will do the same. The Church is an old man who has been wearing the same clothes in the same style his whole life. He refuses to change with the fashions. He simply lets the fads pass him by. Yes, he seems behind the times. But look again at what he is wearing. He is clothed in Christ.

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1 Jude 3.

2 Romans 16:17; 1 Cor. 14:29; 2 Cor. 13:5; Gal. 1:9; Phil. 1:8-11; 2 Thess. 3:6; 1 Tim. 4:6, 16; 6:3-5; 2 Tim. 1:13; 2:15; 4:3-5; Titus 1:7-14; 2:1; 1 John 4:1; Hebrews 5:14.

3 Ephesians 4:14-15.

4 Irenaeus of Lyons, Adversus Haereses, 1.,2, in The Ante-Nicine Fathers, vol, 1, Alexander Roberts and James Donalson, ed., Hendrickson, 1994.

5 2 Cor.11:4.

6 Gal. 2:4-5; 5:9; 1 Cor. 5:6; Phil. 3:2; 2 Thes. 2:15; 1 Tim. 4:6-7; 6:20-21; 2 Tim. 1:13-3:1-17; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 3:17-18; Rev. 2:14-16

7 Os Guinness, Propheti imeliness, A Challenge to the Idol of Relevance, Grand Rapids: Baker, 2003, pp. 40, 76.

8 Os Guinness, Dining with the Devil, The Mega- church Movement Flirts with Modernity, Rapids: Baker, 1993, p. 63.

9 Os Guinness, Dining with the Devil, p. 63.

10 2 Tim. l:13,

11 Philip Kenneson, James Street, Selling Out the Church, The Dangers of Church Marketing, Nashville: Abingdon Press, 1997, p. 20.

12 2 Tim. 4:1-4.

13 Rick Warren, "Rick Warren Interview" at http://www.pastors.comiportal/new/Ricklnterview.asp

14 I Cor. 1:21-25; Also Matt. 24:14; Luke 24:46-47; Romans 10:17; 16:25-27; 2 Cor. 4:5; Col. 1:25-28.

15 Romans 1:16.


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To: Corin Stormhands

Churches try and copy the latest business fad too. Usually badly.


81 posted on 05/17/2005 12:25:56 PM PDT by johnb838 (Liberalism = Leninism.... Liberalism = Bolshevism)
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To: gamarob1
Like I said in my post.... I commend people who start a church that reaches people. But I do think that is a different thing than changing an existing church into something that's its current members won't be a part of. Don't you?

I remember when I was a part time staff member, being in meetings where people said.... gee... look at this new upstart, non-denominational church (I'm intentionally leaving off the name). It's only been there a year and it's already got 2500 members. It's only 6 miles from our 5,000 member church. We should have gotten those members too". My response was always "praise God if other churches are growing and thriving in OKC. This is a big city!" They thought I was nuts for thinking that.

So my church has changed, and shrunk. And other area churches that are more traditional have grown. I just don't think that's a good thing, because I know first hand how it upsets people to leave a church that they have been members of, built relationships in, etc for many years. I don't think it benefits the local church, or the global church in anyway through this process.

And Rick Warren has made a carreer out of encouraging pastors to re-org their existing churches in a new model. I would have thought a lot more of him if he had encouraged all these pastors to leave their current flock and start their own in his likeness.

82 posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:44 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: gamarob1
The PDL talks about not wasting your time on goals that have no eternal value, and instead seeking God's plan for your life. That's layin' it down, friend ;)

No, it's not because all I see in your statement, as well as throughout PDL, is the nouns "me," "I," and the pronoun "your." This "gospel" is all about "me," which is antithetical to the discipled life.

Warren's appeal is to the selfishness of man who think that God is dependent upon us as if we don't fulfill our purpose, His plan is thwarted. This is nonesense.

83 posted on 05/17/2005 12:55:13 PM PDT by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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To: kjam22

Okay, I understand what you're saying, but I doubt that's RW's fault. I don't think Warren tells churches that they HAVE to do anything he says. The pastor of any church is still responsible to the church to take it in the direction the LORD wants. If a pastor doesn't do that, it's hardly another man's fault.


84 posted on 05/17/2005 1:14:35 PM PDT by gamarob1
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To: A2J
No, it's not because all I see in your statement, as well as throughout PDL, is the nouns "me," "I," and the pronoun "your."

Sure, just like Joshua who said that "as for ME and MY house, WE will serve the Lord". That Joshua, so focused on self

We can do nothing without Jesus, which RW teaches, but it's our great blessing and privilege from above, that WE get to be involved in God's plan. Yes, WE. I'm not afraid to use pronouns, because Paul/Peter/James/John/etc weren't either.

What is this "discipled life" that you're referring to? To me, my reading of the Word of God tells me to preach the Gospel, love not the evil world system, use my gifts to glorify God and bless and love others, and seek greater Christlikeness. All of those things, RW teaches in the PDL.

Do you believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit? I was told yesterday by a word of prophecy that I'd have an opportunity to defend this work of God ;)

85 posted on 05/17/2005 1:20:02 PM PDT by gamarob1
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To: gamarob1
That's like the liquor store seller saying.... I dont' make anybody drink. I just sell the liquor. They're responsible for their own actions.

We both know that THOUSANDS of staff members have attended Rick Warren's seminars on church growth, and that he encourages them to change their current church model.

I don't think that benefits the church.

I can't tell you how many times I heard the statement... "we have to do this to reach people today. There is a whole generation out there that is lost and needs to be reached. We have to find creative ways to reach them with the gospel". I finally began asking this question everytime I heard that statement.,,,,"do we really believe there are people in hell because we weren't creative enough in our methods to reach them" .

86 posted on 05/17/2005 1:21:55 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22; All
What you're referring to is that Rick Warren's methodology is simply a high-profile example of modernity in the church; and by "modernity" I mean worldliness.

If you have time, take a look through this and see how it applies to what's been discussed here.

87 posted on 05/17/2005 1:31:07 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: kjam22
I finally began asking this question everytime I heard that statement.,,,,"do we really believe there are people in hell because we weren't creative enough in our methods to reach them" .

The issue then, is, what is the effect of my "harder labor" in the Lord, in terms of greater numbers of saved souls. My belief is that Jesus isn't just wasting His breath when He's encouraging us to preach and see Him make us His witnesses, yet again it only happens BY HIS GRACE, since I can't save anybody.

The PDL-related movements have been fruitful in reaching a segment of cities which would have been VERY turned off by "that ol' time religion" (myself included). That's not bad or evil. But I'm also not saying that the traditional churches shouldn't exist. They should, in fact THEY NEED TO, because they also reach a segment of society that doesn't want the "new wave" church. They're both good, and of God :)

88 posted on 05/17/2005 1:42:24 PM PDT by gamarob1
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To: kjam22

As an aside, I know what you're talking about. The former church we attended was ruined by trying to apply Warren's "Purpose-Driven-Church-seeker-friendliness." It got to the point that the pastor actually stood in the pulpit one Sunday and apologized because an elder had made an annoucement in which he made reference to "the blood of Christ" (any reference to "the blood" is forbidden as being *too offensive* to seekers). As I recall, that was the straw that broke our backs. Any church which is embarrassed to mention the blood of Christ is a place I don't want to be associated with.


89 posted on 05/17/2005 1:43:15 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Kenny Bunkport
Well I'm sorry to reply so quickly, but I'm still on here and I can't let this go. Again you guys are lumping all these accusations personally against Rick Warren, but, HE DOES MENTION THE BLOOD OF JESUS! Yes, even in "seeker" services

I would also be offended by a church where the precious blood of our Lord was forbidden, but it just isn't so at Saddleback. I'm sorry to hear you guys are having such experiences at other churches, but I don't think it's coming personally from RW.

90 posted on 05/17/2005 1:49:35 PM PDT by gamarob1
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To: gamarob1
The pastor of any church is still responsible to the church to take it in the direction the LORD wants.

As a member of a church where the pastor decided some years ago to buy the "Purpose-Driven Church" program and apply it to our own congregation, I can tell you with confidence that the pastor was more intent on taking the church in the direction suggested by Rick Warren, rather than in the direction the Lord wanted. Seeking the Lord had nothing to do with the program the pastor was following. I say that with sadness, and with a fair degree of bitterness, in all honesty. Now, I don't blame Rick Warren for that. What Warren has experienced in his own church is, I believe, the blessing of God. But a mistake is made when some pastor thinks he can replicate that blessing by following the methods or pattern of Warren's church as if it were some kind of formula, rather than in following God. And I think that's my biggest beef with PDL/PDC -- yet I blame pastors for this, not so much Rick Warren, because they're misapplying what worked for his church.

91 posted on 05/17/2005 1:51:14 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: gamarob1

Did I say Warren didn't mention the blood of Christ? I was referring to my former pastor. And, as I said in my previous post, I think there are a lot of pastors out there who are trying to find a quick-fix to their attendance problems by, in many cases, misapplying the things that worked at Saddleback. All the more reason for church leaders to follow the Lord, not a pre-packaged program, because His means may be entirely different for each individual congregation.


92 posted on 05/17/2005 1:55:20 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: gamarob1
I'm sorry to hear you guys are having such experiences at other churches, but I don't think it's coming personally from RW.

I agree with you in that.

93 posted on 05/17/2005 1:56:12 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Kenny Bunkport
Again... I want to say.... It's my understanding that Rick Warren started his own church. I commend him for that. But it's a different thing to go through and change an existing church into that model. I would even support my church helping other churches in the PDL model start. But Saddleback has made $$$$$$$ teaching staff members how to change thier existing churches. That part I have a problem with.

I've never been to Saddleback. I have attended conferences at Willowcreek. BTW... myself and likeminded friends.. well we just call them saddlecreek.

94 posted on 05/17/2005 1:58:53 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: Kenny Bunkport
All the more reason for church leaders to follow the Lord, not a pre-packaged program, because His means may be entirely different for each individual congregation.

Amen! Listening to the Lord is the best thing for every individual to do. I agree with you completely, the Holy Spirit should be allowed to work in each congregation as HE wills... but if a few people do leave because of a direction a church goes (whether it be pro-PDL or anti-PDL), so be it. The pastor is still responsible to the Lord, and the Lord always adds more

A friend of mine tells me the story of a pastor who said that the Lord told him to move the location of the church more towards the inner city, which caused about 2/3 of the church to leave. Everyone questioned him and said he was not really hearing God. A couple years down the road, the Lord added many hundreds more beyond anywhere the church was in the past. His ways are not always our ways. I know this isn't PDL-related really, but again it's an issue of listening to the Lord and not to man.

95 posted on 05/17/2005 2:00:57 PM PDT by gamarob1
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To: Corin Stormhands

Of course not, we're going back to Gregorian Chant! ;)


96 posted on 05/17/2005 2:01:46 PM PDT by Samuel J. Howard
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To: Kenny Bunkport

"Many are called, but few are chosen," our Lord said. True Christians have to carry the cross of torn congregations, fractured church relationships, and the betrayal of pastors who seek after their own glory rather than caring for their flocks. The Savior told us we would have to bear the cross for His sake, but that He would help us through the struggle.
It is not a happy trip down the broad way, but remember that the broad way leads to destruction, Jesus warned. So we toil in the vineyard of the Lord, teaching our children the faith in our homes, standing up for the apostles' doctrine which we know because we meditate on it daily. And some day, Jesus will hold His arms out to us and say, "Well done, you good and faithful servant. Enter into the paradise that I have prepared for you." We live in that promise as we trudge the rough and narrow road to heaven, so be of good courage.


97 posted on 05/17/2005 2:18:38 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: kjam22

I don't know of any other purpose of the Church than to reach the lost for Jesus.

We mess up that purpose with our own agendas

The pastors job as I see it is to minister to the flock that he is called over.Not just to be a soulwinner.

We are all called to be soulwinners.

I'll get back with more of my thought in a bit

RB<><


98 posted on 05/17/2005 3:19:10 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (Salvation is not a prayer and an experience its a life changing event <><)
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To: Kenny Bunkport
His approach is "Christianity For Dummies." I'm not trying to be insulting...I'm saying Rick Warren is a marketing genius who has struck upon the truth that the American Christian church will not tolerate the deep things of God.

The Gospel message is pretty simple and how we are to live out our lives as Christians is also pretty basic.

The 'deep things of God', while profound in their simplicity, really aren't all that difficult to comprehend. The real battle is living out the life we know God wants us to live.

99 posted on 05/17/2005 3:21:46 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: kjam22
I'm with you 100%. This is one of my pet peeves about Christian books, as well....God may have blessed someone in being a good parent and raising great kids, but then the person thinks they should write a book giving 25 principles to being a great parent, and it doesn't work that way. My experience is that God works individually with each of us. He doesn't want us running to some "expert" for principles or some model...He wants us to follow Him, and how He gives victory to one person will not necessarily be the way He gives victory to another person, even in the same area. We're all individuals, with individual differences, and God meets us where we are. No aspect of Christianity can be reduced to a "formula," I don't care how successful that "formula" happens to be at such-and-such a church, or for such-and-such an individual.

In situations where someone comes to me for counseling, I don't give them a list of principles to implement...I try to show them how they can personally find Christ sufficient for their need.

100 posted on 05/17/2005 3:32:25 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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