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Sometimes, we all have to look our sins in the face because true repentance cannot begin until we turn away from that which infects us. That goes for our churches as wll.
1 posted on 02/14/2005 1:25:44 PM PST by sauerkraut
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To: sauerkraut
The Catholic celibacy rule is doubtless a contributing factor

Author more or less blows his credibility right there.

2 posted on 02/14/2005 1:31:18 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: sauerkraut

Celibacy does not cause grown men to molest little boys. It is called sodomy, to be Biblical. Homosexually-oriented men (perverts) molest little boys.


5 posted on 02/14/2005 1:43:39 PM PST by Mershon
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To: sauerkraut

As I said in reponse to another thread

[http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1342574/posts

regarding attacks of "demons" on the church:

The problem is also with the huge numbers of persons masquerading as Christians whose whole mission is to desecrate the church and denigrate and cast doubt on the Word of God. Whether demons or merely demon-inspired, they have caused severe damage to the Catholic Church (pedophiles), the Anglican Communion and other Protestant denominations (revisionists and others who deny Jesus and the Scriptures and promote practices directly contrary to what God has required).

Their mission is the same as the serpent in the Garden of Eden, to cast doubt on God's commandments ("did God really say? . . .").


25 posted on 02/14/2005 3:09:14 PM PST by kaehurowing
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And as a validation of this, please refer to

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1342256/posts

for this conversation between ECUSA bishop Stacy Sauls and a parishioner:

GAFFNEY: Do you believe the Bible is the inspired word of God?

SAULS: I believe the Bible is a book of poetry with a lot of history in it. I believe the Prayer Book has all that one needs for salvation.

GAFFNEY: Do you believe there is a Satan?

SAULS: Not metaphorically speaking, no. (He was laughing at me.)

GAFFNEY: Do you believe in the principalities and powers?

SAULS: (Laughing at Gaffney, and with a sneer said), I'll give you that one!

GAFFNEY: Do you believe in heaven and hell?

SAULS: I believe that an all loving God would never send anyone to hell for eternity. I believe he works it out in the end for everyone.


26 posted on 02/14/2005 3:27:35 PM PST by kaehurowing
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What kind of moron needs to invent a supernatural force to explain evil in humans?

The Catholic Church priest scandal is better explained with the tools of social science:

Some people are sick; they're either born this way or molested into it. They want to have sex with kids. Some of these people will seek out kids to molest, some won't.

Some will become priests because they think God will cure them. These are the really stupid ones. When God doesn't cure them (He never cures anyone), they despair, and they'll molest altar boys or whatever.

You don't need Satan to explain their behavior, or the behavior of their superiors: it was more convenient for the Church Hierarchy to shuffle the molesters around than to admit publicly to the sin. These orders went all the way up to the Vatican (it's crazy to believe that all over the world, Catholic bishops did the same exact thing, without any direction from above). The Bishops justified hiding the molesters on the grounds that 1) scandal would be bad for the Church, they wouldn't have as many followers and be able to collect as much money from churchgoers and 2) they thought the priests really wanted to not sin any more, and that God might cure them if they prayed hard enough.

This isn't to say that Catholicism is or was inherently bad. But the Church didn't face enough scrutiny over its actions. So it got lazy. If the Church was afraid that a bunch of hard-nosed reporters would have uncovered the priest scandal, maybe the bishops wouldn't have protected the predators in the first place. It's bad to show too much respect to any institution. This isn't to say that you Catholics can't love your Church, just that you should recognize the value of having people who will scrutinize the Church.

32 posted on 02/14/2005 4:19:32 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: sauerkraut
The word pedophilia describing these immoral acts is a dead give away of the author's liberal philosophy of homosexual bent.

Since the vast majority of these acts were done to boys of 14 years or older, homosexual-ism is the description to use, not pedophilia.

The gay crowd have been pushing pedophilia for years.
37 posted on 02/14/2005 5:35:20 PM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
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bttt


38 posted on 02/14/2005 6:56:50 PM PST by lainde ( ...we are not European, we are American, and we have different principles!")
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To: sauerkraut
The Catholic celibacy rule is doubtless a contributing factor

Ahh! The Catholic human rule that requires only humans is doubtless a contributing factor...

/sarcasm off

Pursuit of sinful activity is due to lack of Faith -period...

If one is completely faithful and as such believes in actuality rather than conceptually that there is really God and eternal salvation or eternal damnation -then one will be obedient...

48 posted on 02/15/2005 8:08:39 AM PST by DBeers
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To: sauerkraut
you'd do your best to attack the very men who stand in for Christ at the altar as they consecrate the Eucharist -- the priests.

Only as a second front. The first front would be to infect the mind of a pedophilic wanderer and appear to him as G-d...convince him he is a prophet and make him believe that he is the founder of a new religion...one that will hold at its core, the destruction of all those who do not follow your beliefs and new rules. Destroy those who are labeled infidels. Those who follow Christ and His Father.

When this new "religion" becomes well established and has hundreds of millions of followers willing to die for you in attacking your enemy from without, then you initiate a second front to destroy your enemy from within by infecting the minds and hearts of those entrusted with the stewardship of His flock.

51 posted on 02/15/2005 2:35:22 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The New England Patriots. 2005 World Football Champions. Again.)
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