Icons of Madonna and Jesus shed blood - scientists say "AN EXTRAORDINARY AND AMAZING PHENOMENON"

Spirit Daily ^ | February 4, 2005

[Aquinasfan]

The blood type on the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo is also AB.

The claim of a unique type of blood is interesting. Does anyone understand the science behind this claim?

[NYer]

The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.

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The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?"

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Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

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Whoever eats ¹⁹ my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

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For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
John
Chapter 6

[murphE]

I think miracles like Lanciano are a very appropriate teaching tool for CCD.

Unfortunately, the DRE of my former parish did not share your opinion. :-(

[Buggman]

A similar story was done in the Christ Clone Trilogy, only they used the blood on the Shroud of Turin as their sample, IIRC.

Actually, my current theory is that it isn't the Antichrist, but the False Prophet who will claim to be Jesus returned (cloned, whatever). That way, when the False Prophet directs the world to worship the Antichrist, the Antichrist will truly be exalting himself "over everything that is called God or is worshipped" rather than simply pretending to be Jesus, which seems more in line with what both Daniel (chaps. 7, 8, and 11) and Paul (2 Th. 2) teach. It would also explain why in Revelation 13, it is the False Prophet, not the Antichrist Beast, that is compared to the appearance of Jesus, having "two horns like a lamb."

Just some food for thought.

[Swordmaker]

Interesting.

The chain of evidence is unclear. The Padre is too intimately involved in the event to not raise questions of his involvement in some kind of hoax: both Icons are his property, both developed bloody exudations, the incidents were discovered by him alone, both samples were collected by him.

The reports of the "scientific reports" don't read like they were done objectively. I also question the conclusions as being scientifically conclusive.

"the blood is human blood, of group AB, male, and was found to be identical in the two samples tested, the blood from the tears from the Icon of the Virgin and the blood that appeared of the Face of Jesus are the same."

But there is more, the document continues from its evaluations to something that seems really incredible: 

"the configuration of the genetic features found in the Y chromosome does not correspond to any of the configurations present in the world wide data bank where the data of 22,000 male subjects from 187 different populations is kept."

And further on we read:

  "This blood is so rare that it must be considered as almost unique. By calculation, the statistical probability of finding, in the course of millennia, a typology of the same blood type, is almost nil, the mathematical probability of this happening is in the order of 1 in 200 billion possible cases."

[In other words 1 on 200,000,000,000.]

The statement that the "typology", not the DNA markers, of the blood is almost unique (sic - that's like saying "she's almost pregnant") is a little strange... no, scientifically, it is more than a little strange. Type AB Blood, if you count both negative and positive alleles, is possessed by about 5% of the population of the Earth. If they are talking about the "almost unique" DNA of the samples, then ANY individual will have "almost unique" DNA ... actually most likely everyone not a member of an identical birth set (twins, triplets, etc.) has unique DNA. That is the theoretical base for using DNA for forensic purposes.

This article is too "gee, whow" to give it much credence. I am reserving judgement... but my BS stink-o-meter says that the priest has something to do with the placing of the blood on the icons.

[Aquinasfan]

Unfortunately, the DRE of my former parish did not share your opinion. :-(

Probably the same one that works at our parish. It's like they all come from central casting. Or maybe they're pod people.

[escapefromboston]

I would rather have James Randi. Penn is just a loud mouth.

[sharktrager]

Read the Christ Clone Trilogy.

You basically have 3/4 of your idea in those books. They just differ on the source of the blood. (Shroud of Turin)

[YankeeinOkieville]

My blood is "O-neg". I guess we're not related.

[Pyro7480]

The Miracle of Lanciano blood is also AB.

[netmilsmom]

>>The Miracle of Lanciano blood is also AB.<<

Is that the host that bleeds?

I'm A+ so I'm not related either....

[Pyro7480]

It's the host that became a piece of flesh (heart tissue to be specific) and the consecrated wine that became real AB blood at the moment of consecration in southern Italy over a thousand years ago, and is still there.

[xm177e2]

I would rather have James Randi.

You'd think someone with a Bleeding Jesus doll would want Randi's cool million.

I mean, it's a chance to win a million dollars and prove to skeptics once and for all that the supernatural is real. They could save a lot of souls that way.

::snicker::

[Romish_Papist]

If you're serious about a tale in this vein, FReepmail me. I'm an amateur writer and this idea intrigues me. :)

[gal522]

Very interesting but causes me to feel an extreme amount of caution; just because this stuff is coming out of a Christian picture doesn't necessarily mean it's from God. The Bible says that in the last days there will be signs and wonders that may deceive even the elect... I find this a bit creepy myself.

[Pyro7480]

I think one thing to remember is that the Devil cannot create like God can. He can only corrupt.

[gal522]

Agreed, the devil can't create something that hasn't already been created. But I think that, based on what the Bible says, that the devil can mimic God and he certainly can create "signs and wonders" ... and even appear as an angel of light...

[netmilsmom]

>>But I think that, based on what the Bible says, that the devil can mimic God and he certainly can create "signs and wonders" ... and even appear as an angel of light...<<

Or Our Holy Mother. Look at Medjugjore.

[netmilsmom]

That is amazing!
I have to do some research on this.

[gal522]

All I am saying is stuff like this should be approached with caution... What is the ultimate result of these signs? Is it bringing people closer to Christ, or is it creating a spectacle unto itself?