Posted on 11/17/2004 8:52:02 AM PST by NYer
ST. PAUL — The pro-homosexual rainbow sashers appeared again at a Cathedral of St. Paul Mass, and Catholics Against Sacrilege also returned, praying the rosary in reparation.
This November 7 episode was the second time this year the groups have confronted each other at the cathedral of the St. Paul-Minneapolis Archdiocese. (See The Wanderer, June 10, 2004, p. 1 for an account of the May 30 protest and counterprotest.)
At the May 30 Mass, the Ushers of the Eucharist knelt near the altar to try to block sashers from receiving Communion.
This time, before Communion, Fr. Ralph Talbot of the cathedral asked that the pro-homosexual demonstrators remove their sashes before receiving, and he also asked that no one impede them.
Some of the protesters removed their sashes, but others didn’t and received Communion wearing the pro-homosexual emblem. No one tried to block them.
Most Mass-goers reportedly paid little attention to either group.
As before, those praying the rosary gathered on the cathedral’s front steps. Dennis Hall, who led about 60 Catholics in prayer, told Shannon Prather of the St. Paul Pioneer Press: "The voice of moral relativism has been so loud, a lot of us who believe in absolutism were cowering the corner for so long." He added, apparently referring to the recent election victories of marriage amendments: "Maybe we are seeing a turnaround. The country certainly needs it."
Also as before, at the side of the cathedral Brian O’Neill handed out sashes to the pro-homosexual protesters. He told Prather of the Pioneer Press that they were demanding that the Catholic Church stop the "spiritual violence" against homosexuals and bisexuals.
"It’s important we be here and speak the truth and not be intimidated by the victories of conservatives," he stated. O’Neill further commented that the Church "calls us evil. They call us objectively disordered. We strongly oppose that kind of language."
At the "Off the Record" section of Catholic World News’ web site, "Diogenes" posted this comment in reply to O’Neill:
"O’Neill’s claim — ‘They call us [not our libido] objectively disordered’ — is patently false, but serves as a commonplace of gay propaganda. It has proven to be a useful lie, however, and is undeniably effective in neutralizing opposition from squishy bishops, of whom O’Neill’s is one of the squishiest."
Archbishop Harry Flynn of St. Paul-Minneapolis has said that he won’t forbid the distribution of Communion to rainbow sashers. Other ordinaries — such as Francis Cardinal George of Chicago — have forbidden Communion for sash-wearers. (See The Wanderer, June 10, 2004, p. 1.)
Archdiocesan spokesman Dennis McGrath commented to the Pioneer Press: "The Holy Communion ought not to be used as a form of protest or a litmus test. It’s up to people’s individual consciences. They are supposed to be in a state of grace."
Diogenes posted this remark in response:
"Nonsense. Refusing Communion to a rainbow-sashed congregant is not a question of judging his spiritual well-being. It is a simple recognition of the congregant’s own public declaration, namely, that he denies the claim that God preserves the Catholic Church from error. Many excellent people deny this claim. Billy Graham denies it. The chief rabbi of Krakow denies it. The Iraqis who aided Jessica Lynch’s rescue deny it. Would any of us claim that these persons are in full communion with the See of Rome? Of course not. But suppose (for the sake of argument) the ‘individual conscience’ of one of these persons assured him he was in the state of grace and bade him come up to receive the Eucharist. If the priest refused him, would he be using an improper ‘litmus test’?
"Here’s the point. In ordinary circumstances, when you see a stranger standing in a queue, you can’t tell what he believes — what he believes about the designated hitter rule or what he believes about the Petrine claims. You don’t know who’s Catholic and who isn’t because personal convictions are usually hidden from view. But when a man puts on [a] rainbow sash, he is taking what is hidden and ‘unconcealing’ it. He is announcing to us: ‘I contend the Catholic Church is wrong.’
"It’s irrelevant (to the point at issue) whether he’s gay or straight or a wastrel or a virgin. When I deny him Communion, I’m not making some intuitional judgment about the nature of his appetites or the state of his soul. All I need to know he has declared to me himself."
The rainbow sashers and the Catholics Against Sacrilege both told the Pioneer Press that they will keep up their activism.
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
I wish I didn't have to ping this out to everyone. In another way, it's even more vile than the article about the homo-pedophile "foster father". Why, one might ask? Since this article doesn't have specific sexual perversions and horrible crimes against children detailed?
Answer: Because this is the promotion of such crimes, through the medium of what should be holy, obedient, pure, and indeed, sanctifying. What does "religion" really mean?
Religion really means the eternal relationship between God and the individual soul. Anything that helps that relationship of loving surrender (on our part) to grow, is real religion. Violating the basic rules of morality that God Himself has given us and promoting such violation - IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY - is blasphemy of the worst sort.
The homosexual activists who are doing their best to pervert what should be holy, are doing terrible harm to many, many people. People who are just plain ignorant will be more and more confused about what is right and what is wrong, who God is, what His instructions are, and how to follow them.
I hope that more and more Catholics will stand up with those who pray the rosary against this flagrant hypocrisy and sickness.
Question for Catholics: Could a non-Catholic join the rosary prayers to show support?
Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
Perhaps. I see the battle in more of a sense of not human agents (though they are the visible sign), but rather as the main battle between good and evil.
Furthermore, I hope not too tin foil-ly, I believe there is a concerted effort by power mongers in shadowy places to rid the Church of it's influence, in order to control a more docile populace. Marx said that religion is the opiate of the masses, but he was wrong. Modern marxists correctly perceive the true spiritual animation and activity of Christianity to foil their plans.
Gay rights is merely another battering ram and trojan horse for the weakening of the Church.
It is not about gays having a place to call home, as a church. They have that already. It is about you and me totally capitulating to their threats, and being afraid to lift your voice against their evil.
Precisely.
An excerpt from: The Overhauling of Straight America:
"While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First, we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretations of biblical teachings, and exposing hatred and inconsistency. Second, we can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated backwaters, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology. Against the mighty pull of institutional Religion one must set the mightier draw of Science and Public Opinion (the shield and word of that accursed 'secular humanism').
Such an unholy alliance has worked well against churches before, on such topics as divorce and abortion. With enough open talk about the prevalence and acceptability of homosexuality, that alliance can work again here..."
Sex, torture and erotic electrification in America's 'gay' churches"
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Well they need to go elsewhere and not the Catholic Church. They need to get a life or do something besides bug Catholics and make everyone conform to their way of life.
If you don't want the gays and liberals to take over the Catholic Church, then you need to react to abuses you see.
For example, when the Episcopal Bishop of Olympia procured an active homosexual for the cathedral dean, instead of Biblically faithful Episcopalians chasing the homo and the bishop out with pitchforks and torches, as they should, they sat around and complained while the Seattle libs just thought it was soooo tolerant to have a gay priest and his boyfriend profaning the sanctuary. Conservatives wondered why a few years later, they were ordaining a gay bishop.
Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church, but He didn't say hell was closed or the devil wouldn't move a few of his own in to torment us.
Found these perverts up and move them out.
"It’s important we be here and speak the truth and not be intimidated by the victories of conservatives," he stated. O’Neill further commented that the Church "calls us evil. They call us objectively disordered. We strongly oppose that kind of language."
I know I'm just a straight white male who think queers are an abomination, but does anyone care that I "strongly oppose" the kind of language that claims the Church has committed "spiritual violence" against queers?
If you don't like what the Catholic Church has to say, join the Episcopal Church. If you believe the Catholic Church is special it's because she is G-d's instrument for grace in this world what she says in His name must be accepted as truth.
Either way, the rainbow sashayers are dead wrong.
Shalom.
Shalom.
Well, any priest who doesn't take a big step backward while the "communicant" takes the host doesn't, anyway.
I've always been of the opinion that G-d could handle Himself when it came to issues such as not abusing the Holy Sacrament. However, I would not want to be between Him and somebody who's mistreated Him so.
His patience and grace constantly amaze me.
Shalom.
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