Posted on 11/15/2004 6:36:24 PM PST by Deo volente
More non-existent abuses in Los Angeles:
http://www.recongress.org/2004/images/closing/MVC-306S.htm
http://www.recongress.org/2004/images/closing/MVC-309S.htm
http://www.recongress.org/2004/images/closing/MVC-334S.htm
http://www.recongress.org/2004/images/closing/MVC-357S.htm
A more apt debate would be whether or not he venerates satan.
That stuff is in no way Catholic; but then again neither is Mahoney.
I guess it shows that as bad as it is here, it could be worse.
Yes.........and you and all the membership of the USCCB should know their names so they can be punished for speak the truth forthrightly.
. But, I will NEVER reveal my real identity on FR
Awwwww.......gee........that will make it ever so hard for us to put you on Canon Law trial for heresy.
Darn!.......(lowering head, kicking at rocks with feet, slowly shuffling away, pouting)
"Cardinal Ratzinger has strongly urged the pope, they say, to remove prelates who seem to have gone too far. But after the first year or two [of his reign], the pope apparently stopped trying. After all, these are men of mature age, and they ought to know their duty, but their habits are hard to change."
Sede vacationism?
LOL! I was just thinking when I read this - "But after the first year or two [of his reign], the pope apparently stopped trying" - that the pope is somewhat like Celestine V, except that JPII didn't physically resign. He simply absented himself from the disciplinary and administrative parts of his job.
He kept the public relations and "literary" parts of it, and turned into the most prolific writer and dedicated traveler of any pope. But somehow I think those are the least of the duties of the Keeper of the Keys.
Don't like my posts, don't read them.
At least we now know that it is recognized...and a few of the other little details that came out here.
He SHOULD be removed, angry and scorned or not. That man is a menace.
Hey! What's the matter with you people?
America is full of people actually celebrating the Tradition Latin Mass, who must be stomped out!
Nothing to see here. Move on.
"This article is loaded with gutless, nameless priests. No name, no credibility."
Squawk! Plop...plop...plop...
Oh -come on... Feigning fear says much... -Truth has nothing to fear...
He waited the problems out. Gradually, they are resolving themselves by attrition and death and the newer bishops are far more conservative. They are part of the future.
I actually think this is a possitive sign. The article indicates that the hold Bernardin had over the church has faded and that people aren't afraid of Mahoney like they were of Bernardin. The fact that there was even an article addressing the heresy coming from Mahoney is pretty amazing.
"But after the first year or two [of his reign], the pope apparently stopped trying"
If he had been serious about trying, he would have taken a plane to Los Angeles and other places and driven these heretics from the Church by beating them over head with his crozier.
Go right ahead. Put your real name out on a public forum.
Is this a mahonyism?
Maybe you miss the point -your posts are innocuous, self centered and laughable... I would suggest the distaste and affront to your posts is not all about you and is exhibited in regard to the harm you may do others ignorant and potentially led astray by your various dissenting positions...
LOL. The 'fun' parts of the job. Truth is, I don't think this Pope has the temperment of a great administrator. That's just my impression. He does love man, though. And probably sees that as the defining element of Catholicsm. Sees himself as the Vicar of Christ, loving Man with the same intensity, as the highest Papal good.
He doesn't seem to be feared at all by the organization's practice setting heirarchy.
There was an article posted here a few weeks ago, by someone who seemed to be very fond of him, who stated that JPII was not fond of ordinary governance. Well, who is? It is a dirty job, but it has to be done. Even a great administrator will be mocked and disobeyed, but when that head administrator embraces the role with half a heart, the stage has been set for extraordinary confusion.
And as my Priest said in Sunday's Sermon, confusion is Satan's biggest ally.
Yaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh! Don't those two pictures make the eyeballs spin! Good night nurse, already! Tacky and tasteless 101 is a live and well in Mahoneyland! This man is in need of having the application of the left foot of fellowship out the chruch-house door applied to his rusty dusty!
Note - the following is a rhetorical question. No need to answer it, I already know the answer:
If the Vatican is so indignant about the latest Mahoney stunt, then why the heck don't they take real and meaningful action and show us "ordinary" folks that they really give a hoot about stopping us from being poisoned by all the dreck?!
Yes, he appears not to have enjoyed the governance part of the job. And, as Desdemona pointed out, it seemed that he waited for attrition to take care of the problems.
However, in the 25 years or so that it has taken (and alas, with the Mahonys and Skylsteds of this world still around and in power, it's not over yet), the Church has been seriously damaged, and I attribute much of that to the hands-off attitude of this pope. Perhaps he was afraid of meeting the fate of JPI, which was probably a valid concern.
But when one considers all of the faith (and even lives) lost during this period because of the failure to remove heterodox bishops, priests and heads of religious orders, defend orthodox doctrine and practice with something other than ambiguous words, and enforce Catholic support for Catholic policies in the public arena, I think he's going to have a lot to answer for. Obviously, it's up to God to judge and I'm sure there are things I don't know about that enter into this.
But looking at the ruin that the collapse of the Catholic Church brought to the lives of many people I have known over the years, including family members, I have to say that it looks as though the sheep were not very well defended from the wolf.
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