Bishop Rifan of Campos concelebrates the Novus Ordo

DICI ^ | November 6, 2004 | Fr. Joel Danjou

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

It is beyond doubt, Bishop Rifan did take active part in the New Mass. I watched the 3-hour video tape. This Mass was of the most modern and of an extreme liturgical poverty in spite of the presence of the cardinal representing the Pope. This cardinal was beside often hesitating, not guessing what one or the other of the assistant priests or bishops or the acolytes would be doing next. The miraculous statue was brought at the beginning of the ceremony in a spectacular procession recalling how 3 fishermen miraculously drew in this little 36 cm-high statue in 1717. A beautiful procession indeed, but not suited to a church. Imagine a boat with three fishermen coming up the aisle all the way to the sanctuary… One of the fishermen then placed the statue on its pedestal after having shown it to the different rows of the faithful… each time to the general clapping of hands.

When it was time for the epistle, the governor of Sao Paulo, (center-right politically), came forward to read it.

For the crowning of the statue, a woman – seated next to the bishops in the sanctuary during the ceremony – fetched the statue and presented it to the cardinal to be crowned. Once the statue was crowned, she presented it several times to the clergy and the faithful who were warmly applauding, while confetti were raining down on the heads of the cardinal and the bishops in the sanctuary.

At the offertory, two young acolytes came to pour the wine to be consecrated into the chalices as casually as if they were pouring themselves a glass of water.

The words of consecration pronounced aloud by cardinal de Araújo Sales were, of course, those saying : "…shed for you and for all." The eucharistic prayer n° 2 had been chosen by the bishop.

Then one could see Bishop Rifan joining the bishops’ procession to communicate at the altar. As for the communion of the faithful, no priest or bishop were seen distributing it.

However, at least three women were giving communion… and we saw priests (maybe even bishops) receiving communion from one of them!

Immediately after the Postcommunion, Petrus Ananias, minister for social development (Marxist Workers’ Party), representing Mr. Lula, president of the Republic, began some kind of sermon-discourse from the very sanctuary. All the bishops sat there without flinching! He praised the ecumenical trend of his party, made reference to Jacques Maritain and stated that democracy had evangelical roots, that Our Lady of Aparecida was in solidarity with the movement of liberation and emancipation, and that she was a figure even more human than the Virgin of the Gospels because she was black… and so on, and so forth!

There seems to be marked uneasiness in Campos on this subject because today a priest from Rio who asked about this concelebration to a priest from Campos received as answer that it was not a concelebration but a bishops’ meeting at the shrine of Our Lady of Aparecida.

It is difficult not to speak of lie!

Indeed, CNBB, the Brazilian National Conference of Bishops, announced the following on its website on September, 8: "Hoje, dia 8 de setembro, às 9h, no Santuàrio Nacional, solene concelebração eucarística presidida pelo enviado especial do Papa. Dom Eugênio de Araújo Sales, e concelebrad pelo Núncio Apostólico, Dom Lorenzo Baldisseri, pelo arcebispo de Aparecida, cardeais, arcebispos, bispos e presbíteros – Today, 9/8/04, at 9:00 am, at the national shrine, solemn eucharistic concelebration presided by the special envoy of the Pope, Dom E…, and concelebrated by the Apostolic Nuncio, Dom L. B…, by the Archbishop of Aparecida, the cardinals, archbishops, bishops and priests."

What remains of the booklet published by the priests of Campos : "62 Reasons Why In Conscience, We Cannot Attend the New Mass."?

Fr Joël Danjou, Prior in Santa Maria, Brazil

date : 6/11/2004

[St.Chuck]

Let's go one step beyond all the sappy talk and tell us exactly why you are grateful.

Absolutely.

I am grateful that early in his pontificate he disciplined the uppity Jesuits, virtually obliterated the liberation theology heresy, told the Sandanista priest in Nicaragua to quit his post or quit the priesthood, and was instrumental in bringing down the Soviet empire with his support of and advise for the Solidarity movement in Poland.

I am grateful that he had the energy and will to travel the world umpteen times, even to the most remote areas to proclaim the Holy Name of Jesus. I am particularly grateful for his coming to my state for World Youth Day where I was able to witness the enormous impact his presence has. It vivified not only my personal faith, but animated and changed the Church here in ways that a decade later are still being realized.

I am grateful for the example his devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary gives the world. And his conviction that it was the intercessions of the Holy Mother that spared his life when the assassin's bullets struck him, and his devotion to the rosary that he wrote about in Rosarium Virginis Mariae.

Speaking of writings, I am grateful for his encyclicals and letters that have defended the faith and the Doctrine and disciplines of the Church, most notably Ordinato Sacerdatolis, Ecclesia de Eucharista, Fides et Ratio and especiallyEcclesia Dei, which ensured the preservation of the traditional rite in union with Rome for those of us who prefer it to the Novus Ordo mass. I am grateful for the wonderful catechism that his papacy produced.

I am also grateful for him visiting his assailant in his cell and forgiving him. He is a model for all sincere Christians. I am grateful that he is so strong, that despite his debilitating disease and physical ailments, he demonstrates the tenacity and endurance we should all aspire to have in order to fulfill the particular vocation God has chosen for each of us. I am grateful that he is a contradiction, that amid the clamor for embryonic stem cell research to cure the very disease he suffers from he holds true to the teachings his faith proscribes.

I am grateful for all the saints he has canonized, each time providing yet another facet of what holiness is. The lives and writings of Edith Stein, Maximilian Kolbe, and Jose Maria Escriva are just wonderful additions to the communion of saints, and I am grateful that the pope has increased the world's knowlege of their existence.

I am also grateful for the pope's unwavering stance against abortion, and also the death penalty, his courage to tell Gov. Carnahan of Missouri to "spare Mr. Meeks" which the governor did ( talk about relevance ). I am also grateful for the pope's opposition to the invasion of Iraq.

That's just off the top of my head. I could go on.

Most of all I am grateful to God that I am able to recognize the greatness of his pontificate and the holiness of his soul. I am sad for those can't.

[CouncilofTrent]

lol

[saradippity]

Your response to Grey Ghost was masterful. It was eloquent,comprehensive and true,thankyou.

I do want to add one encyclical that I didn't find mentioned. Veritatis Splendor was the encyclical that I found compelling;packed with wisdom and food for thought. He was able to condense some complex issues into succinct statements. "There can be no freedom without truth",is an example that I have used in countless conversations and arguments,and it never fails to elevate or redirect the discussion to core or foundational matters.

I probably would have emphasized the publication of the Catholic Catechism as one of,if not the most important contribution of any Pope since Trent. At first it appeared a little awkward to use since topics were scattered throughout the four sections rather than finding everything about a subject complete and in one place. But with a little practice it works fine. It is possible to take the Catechism to classes taught by "new experts" and demonstrate that the teachings of the Church have not changed and frequently that the "new expert" is not teaching Catholic truth. It is invaluable.

Thanks again for your wonderful post and God bless.

[Grey Ghost II]

That's just off the top of my head. I could go on.

OK. Fair enough you stated your reasons and I respect that.

[Grey Ghost II]

Your response to Grey Ghost was masterful. It was eloquent,comprehensive and true,thankyou.

What St. Chuck listed was basically the minimum requirements for the job (other than his disagreement with the centuries old Church position on capital punishment). What he failed to mention is the countless bishops and cardinals John Paul II has appointed who have robbed people of their faith, destroyed the innocence of children and allowed continued and nearly unfettered alteration of the Mass to the point is is hardly recognizable as Catholic.

I hope the next Pope does more than just the travel the world and talk a big game.

[saradippity]

I believe that some day,either in this world or the next,we will be confronted with the truth. I have spent quite some time looking at the B/bishops who were placed during the 70's by Pope Paul VI. When Pope JOhn Paul II took office,he had an almost complete cadre of imposter cathollic B/bishops in this country.

In order for this to have happened there had to have been a small but steadily growing group of prelates who were sympathetic to the modernists,communists and progressives ascending to the top for several generations of B/bishops prior to the 70's.

These uncatholic prelates were in this country as well as in the Vatican. Can you even imagine how formidable the task set before him was? I can understand why many Catholics are angry but when looking to understand what happened,it is important to open our eyes and our ears to things beyond our initial perceptions.

[bornacatholic]

for starters, I don't trust that these statements are accurate. If they are, they are conformable with Christian Doctrine anyways.

AS you folks are making the charge, it is your burden to post the statements and illustrate how they are heresy

[bornacatholic]

of course you guys aren't at fault. It is clear from Tradition and History and Christian Doctrine that Jesus desired to establish a Church that would fail in the latter days and He would raise up a schismatic to preserve Tradition and self-annointed experts and traditionalists would decide what is and isnt Tradition and what is and isnt Doctrine and it would be their duty to decide when and if they would obey.

(We used to call such men protestants)

[bornacatholic]

excellent. God Bless

[bornacatholic]

I hope the next Pope does more

me too. I hope the next Pope formally excommunicates men like you.

[Grey Ghost II]

I hope the next Pope formally excommunicates men like you.

I think it's more likley that he excomunicates people like you who deny the Sacrament of Baptism.

[Grey Ghost II]

These uncatholic prelates were in this country as well as in the Vatican. Can you even imagine how formidable the task set before him was?

I agree that the Church was infiltrated before JPII became Pope. I would have preferred to see him clean house and make some very public repudiations, censures, excommunications, or whatever. Instead, he has quietly let these 'men' run the Church. Instead he has appointed these apostates to the rank of cardinal.

I don't dispute his intentions, I do question his leadership.

[CouncilofTrent]

So the current Pope never Offically excommunicated Lefebvre?! Too bad this Pope is too fragile to excommunicate Kerry and his like, yet "strong" enough to excommunicate a man who wants to preserve tradition. Ecclesia Dei is a joke.

I hope the next Pope has the gall to clean up what the hippies and modernists did to our Church!

[CouncilofTrent]

"excommunicate" *

[Tantumergo]

"The original poster should prove that JPII has written and spoken heresy."

Fair enough, if you really insist that I provide examples, I will, but it gives me no great pleasure to do so, and I'm not going to go chasing all over the internet to find the original quotes. If you want those then use a Search Engine.

Firstly though, I will have to say that I don't quite agree with CouncilofTrent that Assisi and kissing the Qu'ran were acts of heresy. The latter was more like an act of apostasy. In the first centuries of our faith, Christians were prepared to be put to death rather than offer incense to the Roman emperor - our liturgical calendar and breviary are filled with the glorious witness of these martyrs. How appalling then, that a Bishop of Rome, without any compulsion as an excuse, should kiss that demon-spawned tome of filth and lies called the Qu'ran. That those lips which were given to venerate the Sacred Gospels in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass should be pressed into such sullied use is an abomination and cause of grave scandal to the faithful. I sincerely hope he has repented of this.

But, as to the matter of speaking heresy, I offer this example where he is quoted in an official document of the USCCB - Reflections on Covenant and Mission:

"John Paul II has explicitly taught that Jews are "the people of God of the Old Covenant, never revoked by God,"2 "the present-day people of the covenant concluded with Moses,"3 and "partners in a covenant of eternal love which was never revoked."4"

Footnotes:

2. John Paul II, "Address to the Jewish Community in Mainz, West Germany," November 17,1980.

3. Ibid.

4. John Paul II, "Address to Jewish Leaders in Miami," September 11, 1987.

Quite apart from 2,000 years of Magisterial teaching that the New Covenant did truly fulfil, replace and supercede the Old Covenant, we have the following clear testimony of Holy Scripture:

Eph. 2,14 "For he is our peace, he who made both one (Jew & Gentile) and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh, (15) ABOLISHING THE LAW WITH ITS COMMANDMENTS AND ORDINANCES, that he might create in himself one new person IN PLACE OF THE TWO, thus establishing peace, (16) and might reconcile both with God, IN ONE BODY, through the cross, putting that enmity to death by it."

Heb 7,12 "When there is a change of the priesthood, there is necessarily a change of the law as well."

Heb 7,18 "There is, on the one hand, THE ABROGATION OF AN EARLIER COMMANDMENT because it was weak and ineffectual (for the law made nothing perfect); there is, on the other hand, the introduction of a better hope, through which we approach God."

Heb 8,9 "...not like the covenant that I made with their ancestors, on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt; FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND SO I HAD NO CONCERN FOR THEM, says the Lord."

Heb 8,13 "In speaking of a "new covenant", he has made the first one OBSOLETE. And what is obsolete and growing old is close to DESTRUCTION."

As we heard from today's Gospel (N.O.), Christ Himself prophesied this destruction, and it did in fact take place in 70 A.D.

Of course these errors by the Pope have been expanded by Cardinal Kasper to assert the following:

"As Cardinal Kasper noted, "God’s grace, which is the grace of Jesus Christ according to our faith, is available to all. Therefore, the Church believes that Judaism, i.e. the faithful response of the Jewish people to God’s irrevocable covenant, is salvific for them, because God is faithful to his promises."21"

Not only has the Pope made no retraction of his statements, that I am aware of, but also he has failed to correct the heretical underling whom he himself appointed as a Cardinal.

There are other areas which one could dwell on such as:

i) His teaching that hell is a state, not a place and thereby denying the physical resurrection of the body which we profess in the creed.

ii) His tendency toward universalism in some of his documents where the implication is made that all men will be saved.

However, as I said above, I don't have the time to look up the original sources of these, so if anyone else wants to do the legwork, please do.

(I'm sure VCR must have something on these issues that can be simply posted here!)

[Land of the Irish]

If they are, they are conformable with Christian Doctrine anyways.

Whatever you say, Kerry.

[Land of the Irish]

Thank-you.

[sempertrad]

It is clear from Tradition and History and Christian Doctrine that Jesus desired to establish a Church that would fail in the latter days

Would you please point out where I said that the Church Our Lord established - The Holy Roman Catholic Church - has "failed"?

and He would raise up a schismatic to preserve Tradition

Nah. He'd never raise up a schismatic, but He would select a courageous soul who would preserve the definitions of His Doctrines and the Traditions blessed by Him, and resist those who would intentionally or unintentionally undermine those teachings and Traditions. Do you deny that the Church's history is full of Saints who spoke out against errors of prelates and popes, resisted the spread of those errors, and encouraged others speak out and resist those errors? "Self-annointed experts"? Not sure what you mean here. Traditional Catholics look no further than the words and examples of the Saints, the Popes, the Doctors of the Church to show us the way during times of crisis.

and traditionalists would decide what is and isnt Tradition and what is and isnt Doctrine

Nope. No need for anyone to do that. See, the Church has already determined what is and isn't Tradition and what is and isn't Doctrine.

it would be their duty to decide when and if they would obey.

Would you kindly point out which doctrine(s) I don't "obey"?

[Viva Christo Rey]

(I'm sure VCR must have something on these issues that can be simply posted here!)

Sure thing. And I agree with you 100%, no matter how much we post items over and over again, these characters still bait us and expect us to summarize all volumes of the Encylopedia Britannica in every reply just to jerk us around.

Then they ignore everything and aks us to answer something completely unrelated to waste more of our time.

Hold them to the fire and make them answer EVERY point, not 1 out of 39, and only with eternal Catholic doctrine not hallucinatory 1960's acid flashbacks to Vatican II..... GROOVY MAN....

Heresies of JP2

Heresies of Vatican II

[Wessex]

"I'm sure if Aramaic were in use anywhere, the Novus Ordo would be celebrated in that language."


Who by? Jewish tribesmen in the desert tending their goats? They would more likely dig a big hole and bury it!